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Vsdoc said:
It seems the forum has some experts here who like butterflies flit between fantastical mythology with zero credulous basis in fact and western science but are permanently divorced from hard statistics -

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You are totally off the topic and posts here which is totally irrelevant. We are not discussing the IQ here. The topic under discussion is whether close marriages affect mental and physical wellbeing. Please stick to the topic.
 
Krishna with Flute said:
You are totally off the topic and posts here which is totally irrelevant. We are not discussing the IQ here. The topic under discussion is whether close marriages affect mental and physical wellbeing. Please stick to the topic.
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What is IQ if not mental?

Metaphysical?

Bhai learn how to eat humble pie sometime.

Its like us when we join AIIMS or AFMC.

Sab apne school ke topper hote hain. Think they big tuts.

Then they come to a national institute. And see big and bigger tuts all around.

Learn some humility and acceptance.

I suggest Buddhism.
 
Vsdoc said:
Muslims say exactly the same about the Quran.
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The difference is that Quran is not taught in management school, Islamic scholars are not called in universities for debate, Judges and space scientist do not go Muslim scholars to seek their guidance for how to deliver justice or to solve riddles in space mission. Quran does not have the maths, Quran does not preach how to build super buildings which lasts for thousands of years. Quranic practices are not recognized and taught across the world for mental and physical wellbeing. If you sideline your commie bias and let your brain, think neutrally, it is not very difficult to visualize the difference.
 
Krishna with Flute said:
The difference is that Quran is not taught in management school, Islamic scholars are not called in universities for debate, Judges and space scientist do not go Muslim scholars to seek their guidance for how to deliver justice or to solve riddles in space mission. Quran does not have the maths, Quran does not preach how to build super buildings which lasts for thousands of years. Quranic practices are not recognized and taught across the world for mental and physical wellbeing. If you sideline your commie bias and let your brain, think neutrally, it is not very difficult to visualize the difference.
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Actually, I only mentioned the Quran because it was you.

Every major religion says the same about their holy books.

What do you have against commies?

Why do you continue to regurgitate American tropes?

Is it ordained by your demi God anpadh teli? That's why?

Subliminal programming of lemmings 101.
 
8 decades of our existence we have been propped up and protected under a Commie umbrella.

A commie leader stood between us and the 7th fleet in 1971.

A commie submarine commander surfaced and opened his middle hatches in plain sight of a US flotilla steaming in.

But mandbuddhis ke liye commie is the enemy.

And America ka lun chaatna param dharm hai.
 
Vsdoc said:
What is IQ if not mental?

Metaphysical?

Bhai learn how to eat humble pie sometime.

Its like us when we join AIIMS or AFMC.

Sab apne school ke topper hote hain. Think they big tuts.

Then they come to a national institute. And see big and bigger tuts all around.

Learn some humility and acceptance.

I suggest Buddhism.
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All Indian regions have their root in Vedas. If you know (I do not claim that I know) vedas, you know every religions.

Here is Pragya is defined in Vedic literature and how it is far superior to what we know as IQ which analytical in nature. Here is something I extracted from net.

Meaning of Pragya (Prajñā / Intuitive Intelligence)

In Yoga philosophy, Prajñā is not mere intellect (buddhi), but the power of consciousness to know truth directly — beyond reasoning, sense perception, and memory.
It is the “light of awareness” (Chit Shakti) that, when purified through yoga, reveals reality as it is (Yathābhūta-jñāna).
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🕉️ Levels / Types of Pragya (as per Yogic and Vedantic systems)
Different texts describe the types of Pragya in slightly different ways, but they all point to progressive refinement of intelligence — from ordinary reasoning to cosmic truth-bearing wisdom.
Below is a synthesis from Yoga Sutras, Vedanta, Mandukya Upanishad, and Tantric Yoga traditions.
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1. Laukika Pragya (Worldly Intelligence — लौकिक प्रज्ञा)

  • Source: Senses and ordinary mind (manas–buddhi).
  • Nature: Analytical, logical, and practical.
  • Function: Deals with survival, career, planning, reasoning.
  • Limitation: Bound by ego, duality, and subjectivity. Cannot grasp higher truths.
🪷 Equivalent term: “Apara Vidyā” (lower knowledge) in the Mundaka Upanishad.
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2. Shastriya Pragya (Scriptural or Conceptual Wisdom — शास्त्रीय प्रज्ञा)
  • Source: Scriptures, teachers, reasoning (śruti–yukti).
  • Nature: Cultured intellect guided by dharma and tradition.
  • Function: Interprets and applies spiritual teachings correctly.
  • Limitation: Still indirect knowledge (parokṣa-jñāna); not yet experiential.
Develops through study (svādhyāya), satsanga, and contemplation.
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3. Yogaja Pragya (Yogically Born Intuition — योगज प्रज्ञा)
  • Source: Deep concentration (dhyāna, samādhi).
  • Nature: Intuitive insight born of inner purity.
  • Function: Reveals hidden truths, subtle realities, and powers (siddhis).
  • Limitation: Still associated with mental activity and object of meditation.
🪷 Mentioned by Patanjali: “Prajñā” arises from meditation beyond logic —
Yoga Sutra I.47 — “Nirvicāra vaiśāradye adhyātma prajñā”
“When purity arises in nirvicāra (non-discursive meditation), spiritual insight dawns.”
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4. Ṛtambharā Pragya (Truth-bearing Wisdom — ऋतम्भरा प्रज्ञा)
  • Source: Deep Samadhi (beyond discursive mind).
  • Nature: Absolute truth-bearing intelligence.
  • Function: Perceives ṛta — cosmic truth/order — exactly as it is.
  • Characteristics:
    • Spontaneous and errorless
    • Beyond logic, inference, and scripture
    • Perceives universal harmony and divine order
Yoga Sutra I.48 — “ṛtambharā tatra prajñā”
“Then (in that state), consciousness becomes truth-bearing.”
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5. Para Pragya (Supreme or Transcendental Wisdom — परा प्रज्ञा)

  • Source: Asamprajñāta Samadhi / Atma Sakshatkara.
  • Nature: Non-dual awareness — the Self knowing itself.
  • Function: Liberation (Kaivalya). Beyond knowledge and knower.
  • Characteristics:
    • Beyond words, concepts, or distinction
    • The culmination of all yogic wisdom
Mandukya Upanishad (Verse 7) calls it:
“Prajñānaghana” — “a mass of pure consciousness.”
“Esha sarveśvara, eṣa sarvajña, eṣo’ntaryāmī…”
“This is the Lord of all, the all-knower, the inner Self.”
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Summary Table
Level​
Sanskrit Term​
Description​
Nature of Knowing​
Yogic State​
1Laukika PragyaOrdinary intellectSense-basedWaking mind
2Shastriya PragyaScriptural / reasoning-basedConceptualContemplation
3Yogaja PragyaIntuitive insight from meditationExperiential but limitedDhyāna / Savichāra Samādhi
4Ṛtambharā PragyaTruth-bearing wisdomDirect perception of cosmic orderNirvichāra Samādhi
5Para PragyaSupreme wisdom / Self-awarenessNon-dual realizationAsamprajñāta Samādhi
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🌄 In Essence

  • Mind (manas) collects impressions.
  • Intellect (buddhi) discriminates.
  • Pragya illuminates truth directly.
  • Ṛtambharā Pragya is the purified light of buddhi reflecting divine order.
  • Para Pragya is the merger of the light and its source — the Self (Ātman).
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