[🇮🇳] No surprise Pakistan sounded for ceasefire’: Air war historian Tom Cooper says conflict 'clear-cut victory' for India

[Vsdoc]

Imran Khan had said that he was not a rich man and when he got married he was under pressure due to financial reason. And then he got a job in a Gulf country and he settled with that job.

@Vsdoc

Yes.

All working class educated Pakistanis leave first chance they get.

It is no coincidence that over 16+ years of defence forums now, the overwhelming majority of Indian IDs are India based, and the overwhelming majority of Pakistani ones are all outside Pakistan.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Face-saving bid falls flat as Pakistan defence minister admits to damages from Indian airstrikes​

Face-saving bid falls flat as Pakistan defence minister admits to damages from Indian airstrikes© Moneycontrol
Pakistan's defence minister Khawaja Asif, in a recent interview, appeared to inadvertently confirm that the Indian Armed Forces had conducted strikes on at least three Pakistani airbases as part of Operation Sindoor.
The operation was launched on May 7 in the aftermath of the Pahalgam terror attack -- which claimed the lives of 26 civilians -- aimed at dismantling the terror infrastructure across the Line of Control and deeper inside Pakistan.

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The minister listed the Nur Khan airbase near Rawalpindi, Rahimyar Khan airbase in southern Punjab and Bholari airbase near Jamshoro in Sindh as the sites that were attacked by India.
Even as the defence minister said there were “minor losses” and tried to dismiss the damage with humour, the comments effectively confirmed that the strikes launched by India had targeted key Pakistani airbases during the heightened tensions between the two nations.

Earlier, Pakistan's deputy Prime Minister Ishaq Dar had also acknowledged that India targeted their two key airbases - Nur Khan airbase and Shorkot airbase during Operation Sindoor.
Satellite images shared previously of the Indian strikes showed the extent of damage caused to Pakistan airbases including Nur Khan and Rahimyar Khan. The bases hit included Nur Khan (Chaklala), Rafiqui, Murid, Sukkur, Sialkot, Pasrur, Chunian, Sargodha, Skardu, Bholari, and Jacobabad.

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The biggest 'hit' was perhaps at the Nur Khan airbase, previously known as PAF Chaklala, in Rawalpindi, the headquarters of the Pakistan army. “The targets hit by India included technical infrastructure, command and control centers, radar sites, and weapon storage areas,” Colonel Sofiya Qureshi said at a special joint briefing of defence and external affairs ministry.
In the aftermath of Operation Sindoor, Pakistan initiated a series of retaliatory drone and UCAV attacks targeting key Indian airbases and logistics infrastructure. These attempts, however, were effectively neutralised by India’s comprehensive and multilayered air defence architecture, according to an official statement.

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Pakistan's defence minister Khawaja Asif, in a recent interview, appeared to inadvertently confirm that the Indian Armed Forces had conducted strikes on at least three Pakistani airbases as part of Operation Sindoor.
The operation was launched on May 7 in the aftermath of the Pahalgam terror attack -- which claimed the lives of 26 civilians -- aimed at dismantling the terror infrastructure across the Line of Control and deeper inside Pakistan.

The minister listed the Nur Khan airbase near Rawalpindi, Rahimyar Khan airbase in southern Punjab and Bholari airbase near Jamshoro in Sindh as the sites that were attacked by India.
Even as the defence minister said there were “minor losses” and tried to dismiss the damage with humour, the comments effectively confirmed that the strikes launched by India had targeted key Pakistani airbases during the heightened tensions between the two nations.
Earlier, Pakistan's deputy Prime Minister Ishaq Dar had also acknowledged that India targeted their two key airbases - Nur Khan airbase and Shorkot airbase during Operation Sindoor.
Satellite images shared previously of the Indian strikes showed the extent of damage caused to Pakistan airbases including Nur Khan and Rahimyar Khan. The bases hit included Nur Khan (Chaklala), Rafiqui, Murid, Sukkur, Sialkot, Pasrur, Chunian, Sargodha, Skardu, Bholari, and Jacobabad.

Related video: From Gibraltar to Balakot: India's fierce reply to Pakistan (WION)

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From Gibraltar to Balakot: India's fierce reply to Pakistan

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The biggest 'hit' was perhaps at the Nur Khan airbase, previously known as PAF Chaklala, in Rawalpindi, the headquarters of the Pakistan army. “The targets hit by India included technical infrastructure, command and control centers, radar sites, and weapon storage areas,” Colonel Sofiya Qureshi said at a special joint briefing of defence and external affairs ministry.
In the aftermath of Operation Sindoor, Pakistan initiated a series of retaliatory drone and UCAV attacks targeting key Indian airbases and logistics infrastructure. These attempts, however, were effectively neutralised by India’s comprehensive and multilayered air defence architecture, according to an official statement.

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[Krishna with Flute]

Afterall, it has come out now.

Operation Sindoor a 'live lab' for China to test weapons, aid Pakistan: India’s deputy army chief​

Lieutenant General Rahul R. Singh identified several key concerns and “lessons” that emerged from the May 7-10 military conflict, such as China using its satellites to monitor Indian military deployment, and the need for better air defence systems​

Imran Ahmed Siddiqui Published 05.07.25, 06:42 AM

Debris of what appears to be a Pakistani projectile lies in a field in Amritsar on May 8 in the aftermath of Operation SindoorSourced by the Telegraph

China helped Pakistan with “live inputs” on Indian military deployment and attack trajectories during Operation Sindoor, India’s deputy army chief said on Friday, adding it was “like a live lab” for Beijing, allowing it “to test its weapons against other available weapons”.


Lieutenant General Rahul R. Singh identified several key concerns and “lessons” that emerged from the May 7-10 military conflict, such as China using its satellites to monitor Indian military deployment, and the need for better air defence systems.


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He underscored that India was actually dealing with three adversaries in Pakistan, China and Turkey, whose drones Islamabad had used widely.


“We had one border and two adversaries, actually three. Pakistan was the front face and China was providing all possible support,” Singh said.



“This is no surprise because if you look at statistics, in the last five years, 81 per cent of the military hardware that Pakistan is getting is all Chinese…. China was able to test its weapons against various other weapon systems, so it was like a live lab available to them.”


Singh also referred to Turkey’s role in providing military hardware, including drones, to Islamabad.

Deputy Chief of Army Staff Lt General Rahul R. Singh speaks during a conference-cum-exhibition on 'New Age Military Technologies: Industry Capabilities & Way Forward' organised by FICCI, in New Delhi, Friday, July 4, 2025.PTI
“When DGMO-level talks were going on, Pakistan actually was mentioning that ‘We know that your such and such vector was primed and ready for action, and we would request you to perhaps pull it back’,” Singh said.


“So, he was getting live inputs from China. That is one place we really need to move fast and take appropriate action.”


He added: “The next important lesson is the importance of C4ISR and civil military fusion. There is a lot to be done as far as this domain is concerned.”


“C4ISR” stands for Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance.


Air defence


“Air defence and how it panned out during the entire operation was important.… Some of our indigenous systems performed well and some did not perform very well too,” Singh said.


Singh added: “This time, thankfully, our population centres were not quite addressed (were not at risk), but next time we need to be prepared for that, and for that more and more air defence, counter rocket artillery and drones systems have to be prepared, for which we have to move very fast.”


Singh highlighted China’s ancient military strategies of “36 stratagems” and killing the adversary with a “borrowed knife” to stress the point that Beijing had extended all possible support to Pakistan to harm India.


“It (China) would rather use the neighbour to cause pain (to India) than getting involved in a mudslinging match on the northern border,” he said.


‘21’ targets


Singh said India had identified a possible 21 targets, of which nine — all part of Pakistan’s terror infrastructure — were eventually engaged on May 7.


“The strategic messaging by (the Indian government) leadership was unambiguous.… The planning and selection of targets was based on a lot of data that was collected using technology and human intelligence,” he said.


“So, a total of 21 targets were actually identified, out of which nine targets we thought would be prudent to engage.… It was only the final day or the final hour (before the start of Operation Sindoor) that the decision was taken that these nine targets would be engaged.”


He added: “A considered decision was taken that it will be a tri-services approach to send the right message that we indeed are an integrated force.… An important consideration was that we should always be on top of the escalation ladder. When we reach a political military objective, we should try and put a stop to it.…”


Singh defended the cessation of hostilities announced on May 10 against the criticism that India stopped the military operation too early.


“War is easy to initiate but it’s very difficult to control. So I would say that was a very masterly stroke that was played to stop the war at an appropriate time…,” he said.


Singh, who was speaking at an event, “New Age Military Technologies”, organised by business chamber Ficci in Delhi, looks after capability development and budget necessities for the army.


His remarks were the latest in a series of revelations by senior defence officials about the losses and lessons for India during Operation Sindoor.


India’s defence attaché in Indonesia had last week said India had lost “some” combat jets on May 7, the opening day of Operation Sindoor, because of the “constraint given by the political leadership” against striking Pakistani military establishments and air defences.


Chief of Defence Staff Anil Chauhan had earlier said India lost fighter jets on Sindoor’s opening day before swiftly rectifying its tactical mistakes and launching further attacks to “hit deep inside Pakistan” on the subsequent days.


Cong seeks discussion


The Congress asked the government for a parliamentary discussion on India-China relations “so that a consensus can be built for a collective response to the geopolitical and economic challenges that China poses to India, directly and through Pakistan”.


“Lt Gen Singh has revealed some details of the extraordinary ways by which China helped the Pakistan Air Force. This is the same China which completely destroyed the status quo in Ladakh five years ago but to which Prime Minister Modi gave a public clean chit on June 19, 2020,” Congress general secretary Jairam Ramesh said in a post on X.


Four days after the Galwan Valley clash killed 20 Indian soldiers and four Chinese troopers, Modi had said no one was occupying or had occupied Indian territory, allowing Beijing to deny any intrusion and claim ownership of all the territory it held in Ladakh.


“For five years, the INC has been demanding a discussion on the full gamut of India-China relations in the Parliament. The Modi government has consistently refused to have such a debate,” Ramesh said.


“The INC will continue to make this demand in the forthcoming monsoon session of Parliament...”


Ramesh added: “Recently, China organised a trilateral meet with Pakistan and Bangladesh in Kunming. India’s trade deficit with China is at record highs. The border agreement arrived at is not a restoration of the status quo.”

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[Vsdoc]

Class.

 

[Sharma Ji]

 

[Krishna with Flute]

As he had wished and said in his interview, Jhon Spencer has come to India to study operation sindoor. Reveals so many things.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Do not worry. Like Pakistan has declared 1965, 1971 and 1999 war as victory of Pakistan, Shahbaz Sharif has declared this conflict as the victory of Pakistan and has praise Asif Munir for giving befitting reply to India. Few propaganda paid articles will be pushed in some media and this humiliating shameful retreat shall be projected as the victory of Pakistan with the help of cheap 50 cent troll like @Jiangnan. Loser China and Pakistan has mastered this art for years.

Has Munir come out of bunker or he is still hiding.

Where did you get the courage to label me?

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No country cat hit the Nuke facility of other muke power unless it is sure that enemy can not retaliate says Tom cooper. It was a clearcut victory of India.


https://youtube.com/shorts/4MQl3alrPIY?si=Lqt86T78p2PVJEgV

 

[Suresh Naresh]

Where did you get the courage to label me?

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No country cat hit the Nuke facility of other muke power unless it is sure that enemy can not retaliate says Tom cooper. It was a clearcut victory of India.


https://youtube.com/shorts/4MQl3alrPIY?si=Lqt86T78p2PVJEgV

1971 is one occasion about which Pakistani civilian government, military, general public and JC admit defeat.

@Sharma Ji @Vsdoc @Paitoo @Guru Dutt @Krishna with Flute @Dogun18 @Mrloveday @Cryptonian @Mainerik @Bilal9 @Lulldapull

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Tom cooper speaks again with more information.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Mosques and Madrasas are places of fasad and rape says a Pakistani.

 

[Vsdoc]

Mosques and Madrasas are places of fasad and rape says a Pakistani.

Gujarati cche.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

International experts back IAF chief's remark on downing of Pakistan jets​

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International experts back IAF chief's remark on downing of Pakistan jets
NEW DELHI: International military aviation analysts and historians have backed Air Chief Marshal Amar Preet Singh's recent assertion that during Operation Sindoor the IAF shot down at least five Pakistani air force jets and one big airborne early warning aircraft.

Amid denials by Pakistan, Tom Cooper, renowned Austria-based aerial warfare expert has said that what ACM Singh said was just a "confirmation of something that was more or less known since May", while also endorsing the latter's statement about the S-400 surface-to-air missile hitting targets at a distance of 300 km.


"We have seen evidence of not only five but even more Pakistani aircraft being shot down. We have also seen evidence for even more Pakistani aircraft being destroyed on the ground. But there was no official confirmation from the IAF, not even from the govt of India. Therefore, this is a nice confirmation for something that was assessed already back in May," Cooper said in his interview to ANI on the Indian firepower that dominated the 72-hour limited war between India and Pakistan between May 7 night and May 10.

Identifying the Pakistan early warning and control aircraft, which was brought down by the S-400 system, as a Saab 2000, the Austrian endorsed Singh's claim about the successful strike from a range of 300 km was a world record.

Also Read: IAF Rattled Pak This Time, But It Needs A Leg-up

"It is the longest range confirmed shoot-down by a surface-to-air missile. This is a historic achievement," he said, lauding the extraordinary feat of the IAF as even the other instance recorded in recent Ukraine-Russia conflict was that of a shoot down at a distance of 200 km.


Related video: Watch: Air Force highlights Op Sindoor strikes and its combat capabilities (India Today)

He said, "This is a significant fact because we have seen IAF deploying its S-400 surface-to-air missile system very close to the border to Pakistan, so close that it was actually firing missiles from within the range of Pakistani army's artillery, which meant if it would stay, its presence of the firing unit in question would have been detected by Pakistanis too early, Pakistanis could have shelled the area in question, hit and destroyed this firing unit. So it was quite a risky operation, actually."

Tom Cooper, like another well-known military strategist John Spencer, had earlier said that Operation Sindoor marked India's decisive victory.

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[Sharma Ji]

International experts back IAF chief's remark on downing of Pakistan jets​

8h•
2 min read

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International experts back IAF chief's remark on downing of Pakistan jets
NEW DELHI: International military aviation analysts and historians have backed Air Chief Marshal Amar Preet Singh's recent assertion that during Operation Sindoor the IAF shot down at least five Pakistani air force jets and one big airborne early warning aircraft.

Amid denials by Pakistan, Tom Cooper, renowned Austria-based aerial warfare expert has said that what ACM Singh said was just a "confirmation of something that was more or less known since May", while also endorsing the latter's statement about the S-400 surface-to-air missile hitting targets at a distance of 300 km.


"We have seen evidence of not only five but even more Pakistani aircraft being shot down. We have also seen evidence for even more Pakistani aircraft being destroyed on the ground. But there was no official confirmation from the IAF, not even from the govt of India. Therefore, this is a nice confirmation for something that was assessed already back in May," Cooper said in his interview to ANI on the Indian firepower that dominated the 72-hour limited war between India and Pakistan between May 7 night and May 10.

Identifying the Pakistan early warning and control aircraft, which was brought down by the S-400 system, as a Saab 2000, the Austrian endorsed Singh's claim about the successful strike from a range of 300 km was a world record.

Also Read: IAF Rattled Pak This Time, But It Needs A Leg-up

"It is the longest range confirmed shoot-down by a surface-to-air missile. This is a historic achievement," he said, lauding the extraordinary feat of the IAF as even the other instance recorded in recent Ukraine-Russia conflict was that of a shoot down at a distance of 200 km.


Related video: Watch: Air Force highlights Op Sindoor strikes and its combat capabilities (India Today)

He said, "This is a significant fact because we have seen IAF deploying its S-400 surface-to-air missile system very close to the border to Pakistan, so close that it was actually firing missiles from within the range of Pakistani army's artillery, which meant if it would stay, its presence of the firing unit in question would have been detected by Pakistanis too early, Pakistanis could have shelled the area in question, hit and destroyed this firing unit. So it was quite a risky operation, actually."

Tom Cooper, like another well-known military strategist John Spencer, had earlier said that Operation Sindoor marked India's decisive victory.

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evidence kisi ne nahi dia of downed jets

IAF gave presentation of base damage and we have a few videos from Pak about incoming Indian fire at least..

but ye jets vets down... no saboot.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Operation Sindoor has gone into History book as one of the top rated war executed most professionally. It bought to conclusion in less than 4 days with the surrender of 15th most powerful Military power begging for ceasefire. World saw some frugal weapons working to perfection. All those so called high tech Chinese, US and Turkey weapons reduced to junk against Indian weapons and their networking. Had the war lasted for couple of more days, we would have seen lot more wonders. Unfortunately, it stopped at a critical time.

 

[Cryptonian]

Hum soch rahay thay k hum Iran bun gaey hain aur hum bhee ye kar saktay hain….



Ghaaadddh dhaaaangg what a disappointment no?

We couldn’t even retaliate no?

Hamara aik bhee mayzile nahi lugga target per!

This is a total insult!

on taxi driver forum no-one is asking satellite proofs of succesful missile strikes claimed by Pak army.
Everyone there has licked the ISPR's lahori chooran and sniffed the pindi chana fart of Assin poonir.

 

[Lulldapull]

on taxi driver forum no-one is asking satellite proofs of succesful missile strikes claimed by Pak army.
Everyone there has licked the ISPR's lahori chooran and sniffed the pindi chana fart of Assin poonir.

India nay sirf 4 din main Pakistan key gaand maar dee…….I mean full on guddhay key tarha chod diya Munira ko!

Munira got fukked so bad he rang up Abbu G trump on the 4th day of getting severely fukked to almost death! He knew situation was very bad and it was well n truly over…..Bilkul helpless ho gya thaa.

Aur udher Israel nay Iran ko pehlay 2 din khoob maara…..but iranis being pagal qaum came back fighting like mad dogs and by the time the 12th day rolled in, iran totally had the upper hand big time…..it was so bad that the iranis were using like only a dozen missiles and pin point destroying strategic targets in Israel at will. Israel’s defenses had collapsed! And Shetanyahu too rang up Abbu G Trump to bail him out or else Iran was goin fukk him up very badly. He still can’t get up uss ko itni maar parri hae.

 

[Vsdoc]

India nay sirf 4 din main Pakistan key gaand maar dee…….I mean full on guddhay key tarha chod diya Munira ko!

Munira got fukked so bad he rang up Abbu G trump on the 4th day of getting severely fukked to almost death! He knew situation was very bad and it was well n truly over…..Bilkul helpless ho gya thaa.

Aur udher Israel nay Iran ko pehlay 2 din khoob maara…..but iranis being pagal qaum came back fighting like mad dogs and by the time the 12th day rolled in, iran totally had the upper hand big time…..it was so bad that the iranis were using like only a dozen missiles and pin point destroying strategic targets in Israel at will. Israel’s defenses had collapsed! And Shetanyahu too rang up Abbu G Trump to bail him out or else Iran was goin fukk him up very badly. He still can’t get up uss ko itni maar parri hae.

There was something big and American under Nur Khan that we obliterated.

The Americans are baying for blood.

Indian blood.

Those in the military know.

Jab baat hoti hai uss level pe, things are chillingly clear.

No political lundapa.

 

[Lulldapull]

There was something big and American under Nur Khan that we obliterated.

The Americans are baying for blood.

Indian blood.

Those in the military know.

Jab baat hoti hai uss level pe, things are chillingly clear.

No political lundapa.

Zaleel kar diya US ko after destroying both their main radar sites at Pasrur and Sakesar which housed the TPS-43 and the long range TPS-77 early warning radar sites. Both were destroyed on the third day. Then India methodically dismantled the PAF bases and as per toad sahb, 19 bases were targeted. Most of the F-16’s parked at Jacob/ bholarri and Murid/Shorkot were destroyed on the ground in their hangars. The few that took off were quickly downed by the S400’s. Two AWACs were destroyed one on the ground and one in the air. Pakistan was blinded and then the big hit on Nur Khan/ Chaklala…..

In desperation Pakistan launched those third class A-100/200 China artillery rockets and they got swatted easy.

Final move (last throw of the dice) was to launch two Shaheen IRBMs and both got shot down very quickly.

That’s when Munira panicked realizing he’s beyond fukked.

Trump sahb saved us or else the IN was ready to deliver the coup de grace in Karachi.

Trump nay bacha liya bhai from a massive humiliation. In fact he also saved China puppu’s reputation.

 

[Vsdoc]

Zaleel kar diya US ko after destroying both their main radar sites at Pasrur and Sakesar which housed the TPS-43 and the long range TPS-77 early warning radar sites. Both were destroyed on the third day. Then India methodically dismantled the PAF bases and as per toad sahb, 19 bases were targeted. Most of the F-16’s parked at Jacob/ bholarri and Murid/Shorkot were destroyed on the ground in their hangars. The few that took off were quickly downed by the S400’s. Two AWACs were destroyed one on the ground and one in the air. Pakistan was blinded and then the big hit on Nur Khan/ Chaklala…..

In desperation Pakistan launched those third class A-100/200 China artillery rockets and they got swatted easy.

Final move (last throw of the dice) was to launch two Shaheen IRBMs and both got shot down very quickly.

That’s when Munira panicked realizing he’s beyond fukked.

Trump sahb saved us or else the IN was ready to deliver the coup de grace in Karachi.

Trump nay bacha liya bhai from a massive humiliation. In fact he also saved China puppu’s reputation.

I think Trump presidency will not survive the news of how many American servicemen got incinerated by a "friendly nation" if it comes out.

 

[Lulldapull]

I think Trump presidency will not survive the news of how many American servicemen got incinerated by a "friendly nation" if it comes out.

yes!.......And that IDF GHQ which Iranis hit with two K-5's with pinpoint accuracy, which was hidden underneath that Hospital in Kiriya Tel-Aviv........

It got taken out doc.......How many humreeki died in there? Hospital k to lund luggtay dikha diye TV per.......vo nahi dikhaya k neechay kya huwa......

Each K-5 carried a 1.5 tonne warhead. Araam say Iranis were targeting anything anytime anywhere in Israel. All western AD systems had totally failed or collapsed.

Another week or so more doc.......Israel was gone!.......And you know and I know.......had that happened, in saaray lund choos musalmano k khuda ka bot torr deta Iran. It was so close........but just outta reach.