World Is India Undermining Canadian Sovereignty?

[TheNewb77]

Date of Event: Oct 31, 2024

Source : https://www.tvo.org/video/is-india-undermining-canadian-sovereignty

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Expulsions of Indian diplomats from Canada renewed concern about incursions from foreign governments into Canada. The Agenda gathers a panel to discuss this break in Indo-Canadian relations.

 

[Dogun18]

 

[ThunderCat]

It's both ways. By hosting Sikh separatists, Canada is clearly asking for trouble. I mean the West invaded Afghanistan by the under pretexts that Osama Bin Laden committed the 9/11 attacks since the Taliban refused to hand him over.

So they cannot complain. Because as far as the Bharati government sees it, these Sikh separatists undermine Bharati sovereignty.

 

[Vsdoc]

It's both ways. By hosting Sikh separatists, Canada is clearly asking for trouble. I mean the West invaded Afghanistan by the under pretexts that Osama Bin Laden committed the 9/11 attacks since the Taliban refused to hand him over.

So they cannot complain. Because as far as the Bharati government sees it, these Sikh separatists undermine Bharati sovereignty.

Thank you.

Its actually not even comparable.

What India did, if indeed it did do it, was kill criminals on foreign soil.

Canada on the other hand is actively fomenting a secessionist movement of another sovereign nation on its sovereign land.

That's the equivalent of giving safe haven and a political voice and indeed state support and office to Quebec separatists in India by India.

Cheers, Doc

 

[ThunderCat]

Thank you.

Its actually not even comparable.

What India did, if indeed it did do it, was kill criminals on foreign soil.

Canada on the other hand is actively fomenting a secessionist movement of another sovereign nation on its sovereign land.

That's the equivalent of giving safe haven and a political voice and indeed state support and office to Quebec separatists in India by India.

Cheers, Doc

They see them as terrorists/criminals. Just as NATO countries saw Osama & the Taliban as criminals. In the end, one's terrorist is not another's terrorist. It's all subjective.

 

[Dogun18]

They see them as terrorists/criminals. Just as NATO countries saw Osama & the Taliban as criminals. In the end, one's terrorist is not another's terrorist. It's all subjective.

India provided no evidence

 

[Bilal9]

It's both ways. By hosting Sikh separatists, Canada is clearly asking for trouble.....

So they cannot complain. Because as far as the Bharati government sees it, these Sikh separatists undermine Bharati sovereignty.

Asking for trouble is one thing - but would it give India the right to carry out targeted assassinations of Canadian citizens on Canadian soil?

I think Indian MEA and RAW are getting a bit bigger than their britches.

What if Canada did the same in India (if they really cared?). India couldn't do much of anything really, cards are stacked against them.

Turning over secessionists depends on power of the country involved and how friendly the relationship is.

Indians should think about this in an impartial, sober manner and not on jingoist terms. India cannot risk the downgrade of relationships with the entire "West", they all act and sound in unison, like bands of foxes and coyotes. As soon as proclamations from Trudeau were issued about found 'evidence', the US state dept. and half a dozen NATO countries all issued supportive official statements.

At stake are futures of millions of Indian foreign students and recent immigrants in Canada (deportation) and trade sanctions/embargoes if things really take a bad turn. All Indian arms programs will be affected. C-17s and Apaches will be sitting idle - among other things.

Bangladesh (Hasina) handed over Indian ULFA secessionist Anup Chetia at India's request, thereby helping India massively in the stability of the NE area. It was an "offer Hasina could not refuse" - given where the 'offer' came from.

Canada will not do this - they do not care about India's request (whether legit or not), they have their own legal precedents and principles. That is legally the crux of the matter.

India is not in the first world league, plain and simple. It depends on remittances from the West (and the Gulf, also stooges of the West) to run its economy. If instructed by the West - Gulfies will not waste a New York Minute before deporting hundreds of thousands of Indian workers - backfills from other countries will be very easy to find.

The sooner Indian politicians realize this and learn to control their bluster, the better (and smoother) their future will be.

 

[Sharma Ji]

They see them as terrorists/criminals. Just as NATO countries saw Osama & the Taliban as criminals. In the end, one's terrorist is not another's terrorist. It's all subjective.

Khalis took out a sitting PM of India, bombed a passenger plane and started an insurgency.

They've been celebrating these acts of terror, and threatening more... all while sitting in Canuckistan

They are legit targets.

I am super chuffed about it all, majaa aa gaya !

 

[Bilal9]

Khalis took out a sitting PM of India, bombed a passenger plane and started an insurgency.

They've been celebrating these acts of terror, and threatening more... all while sitting in Canuckistan

They are legit targets.

I am super chuffed about it all, majaa aa gaya !

Being super chuffed is great - until its no longer a game.

This is statecraft -where Billions of dollars are at stake and the well being of economies.

The hurt to India and Indians may be legit, but who said the world is fair?

It's clear that you are in "adda and hookah mood" and probably haven't thought deeply about the issues involved.

 

[Bilal9]

What India did, if indeed it did do it, was kill criminals on foreign soil.

Criminals to India - but to Canadians they did not break any Canadian law (secessionist movements are legal and legit).

One cannot take Indian law and apply it in Canadian soil.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Being super chuffed is great - until its no longer a game.

This is statecraft -where Billions of dollars are at stake and the well being of economies.

The hurt to India and Indians may be legit, but who said the world is fair?

It's clear that you are in "adda and hookah mood" and probably haven't thought deeply about the issues involved.

Bilal Ji, I'll repeat this just for emphasis' sake

they murdered a sitting/serving PM of India

they started a violent militant insurgency

they blew up an international flight, a 747 carrying:

• 268 Canadians
• 27 Britons
• 22 Indians
• 12 people of undetermined nationality
• Between 82 and 86 children, including six infants
• 29 families
• 
  
  
  

 

[Sharma Ji]

and they're celebrating those events and threatening more, all well sat behind Trudo's sissy gaand..

ANY people/country on earth (with the means to do so) would have done exactly the same as India have done.

its not about jingoism, but certain actions MUST have concequences.. I am happy the current lot has been proactive on this front.

 

[Dogun18]

@ThunderCat Would you be fine with Canadians assassinating Amit Shah in India?

 

[Sharma Ji]

@ThunderCat Would you be fine with Canadians assassinating Amit Shah in India?

Pretty sure he and his boss are already on a LOT of peoples' hit-lists.

 

[Vsdoc]

Being super chuffed is great - until its no longer a game.

This is statecraft -where Billions of dollars are at stake and the well being of economies.

The hurt to India and Indians may be legit, but who said the world is fair?

It's clear that you are in "adda and hookah mood" and probably haven't thought deeply about the issues involved.

He is 24/7/365 in that mode.

 

[Dogun18]

 

[Vsdoc]

Criminals to India - but to Canadians they did not break any Canadian law (secessionist movements are legal and legit).

One cannot take Indian law and apply it in Canadian soil.

Why do you expect India to care about Canadian law when Canada obviously cares little (over decades) about Indian law?

Its called quid quo pro.

And the burden of proof still lies with the Canadians.

Proof they are yet to show. If at all they have any.

The rest of the western brow beating matters little to us Bilal.

There is a threshold size and heft we have achieved now. We will not be messed with and our grievances will be given due import.

Or matters will be dealt with. And they can keep shrieking.

See if we care. Or have a course correction.

 

[Sharma Ji]

ye banda sahi hai

based homo !

 

[ThunderCat]

Asking for trouble is one thing - but would it give India the right to carry out targeted assassinations of Canadian citizens on Canadian soil?

I think Indian MEA and RAW are getting a bit bigger than their britches.

What if Canada did the same in India (if they really cared?). India couldn't do much of anything really, cards are stacked against them.

Turning over secessionists depends on power of the country involved and how friendly the relationship is.

Indians should think about this in an impartial, sober manner and not on jingoist terms. India cannot risk the downgrade of relationships with the entire "West", they all act and sound in unison, like bands of foxes and coyotes. As soon as proclamations from Trudeau were issued about found 'evidence', the US state dept. and half a dozen NATO countries all issued supportive official statements.

At stake are futures of millions of Indian foreign students and recent immigrants in Canada (deportation) and trade sanctions/embargoes if things really take a bad turn. All Indian arms programs will be affected. C-17s and Apaches will be sitting idle - among other things.

Bangladesh (Hasina) handed over Indian ULFA secessionist Anup Chetia at India's request, thereby helping India massively in the stability of the NE area. It was an "offer Hasina could not refuse" - given where the 'offer' came from.

Canada will not do this - they do not care about India's request (whether legit or not), they have their own legal precedents and principles. That is legally the crux of the matter.

India is not in the first world league, plain and simple. It depends on remittances from the West (and the Gulf, also stooges of the West) to run its economy. If instructed by the West - Gulfies will not waste a New York Minute before deporting hundreds of thousands of Indian workers - backfills from other countries will be very easy to find.

The sooner Indian politicians realize this and learn to control their bluster, the better (and smoother) their future will be.

The fact that one country hosts secessionists of another country is asking for trouble. Canada is indirectly interfering with Bharat's sovereignty.

If those Sikhs came as refugees and agreed to cease their political activities, that's different. But by hosting people who call for the breakup of another country is asking for trouble.

I'm not arguing wheather Sikhs are right or wrong to ask for an independent Khalistan. What i'm arguing this is an issue for them to resolve.

Canada banned Hamas as a terrorist organization and so is Hezbollah deemed as such. So now why the double standard?

Suppose Bharat gave sanctuary to a wanted fugitive in Canada on terrorism charges, do you think Canada would see this as threatening their sovereignty?

 

[ThunderCat]

@ThunderCat Would you be fine with Canadians assassinating Amit Shah in India?

All I am stating is this: Suppose BLA members were given sanctuary in another country. The ISI eventually seeks to eliminate them on that country's soil because they threaten Pakistani sovereignty.

The Pakistani military's argument will be is that since the country refuses to hand them over, they undermine Pakistani sovereignty by hosting them.