World Is India Undermining Canadian Sovereignty?

[Bilal9]

Why do you expect India to care about Canadian law when Canada obviously cares little (over decades) about Indian law?

Its called quid quo pro.

And the burden of proof still lies with the Canadians.

Proof they are yet to show. If at all they have any.

The rest of the western brow beating matters little to us Bilal.

There is a threshold size and heft we have achieved now. We will not be messed with and our grievances will be given due import.

Or matters will be dealt with. And they can keep shrieking.

See if we care. Or have a course correction.

Caring about another country's law and assassinating people on their soil are two distinctly separate things at two different levels.

I see Indian attitudes hardened against Canada (because of the perceptions you mentioned) and the expectation is that Canadians will capitulate (along with the rest of the West).

No one is saying Khalistanis were right in doing the things they did in India, but sending Indian RAW and assassins to Canada is a game changer now.

So I will repeat the reasons why I think that Canadians will sit on their tush is unrealistic - in spite of your perceptions.

Canada, US and the rest of the NATO countries speak with one voice - always. Threatening Canada's sovereignty is the same as threatening that of the US and most NATO members.

Right now - the US might be okay to look the other way on India's assassination attempts, but push comes to shove, they will stand behind Canada. They can do things in geopolitical context too, like maybe what happened in Bangladesh.

• About ~75% or more of the armaments produced in India as JV's have Western or Israeli imported components, like radars on India's destroyers and most components on the Tejas fighter, just a few examples.
• Majority of India's remittances come from the West and its stooges. They can make life for India's economy quite difficult, in spite of the threshold and heft you mention. Remittance to India was a major part of Indian economy, which was $125 Billion last year.
• Most of Indian labor class remits money from the Gulf (UAE mostly), who are also Western stooges. See chart below.
• India is heavily dependent on the West for the Backoffice business, not the other way round. This can go South with no guarantees at the stroke of a pen. Of course TCS, Wipro and others won't let it happen and will stop it far before anything untoward happens.

So if the remittances were to stop, Indian workers deported and sent home, Backoffice business re-routed to other countries, how will the Indian economy fare? Just so Indian administration can now throw their weight around and re-jig Western countries thinking, so they can deal with the more powerful India? These are important issues to think about.

I know it warms the cockles of every Indian's heart to think that their country is powerful in some way or the other, and they can teach Canadians a lesson. Perception is everything, as they say.

But reality (and the long terms fallout of this fiasco) may be very different.

 

[Vsdoc]

Caring about another country's law and assassinating people on their soil are two distinctly separate things at two different levels.

I see Indian attitudes hardened against Canada (because of the perceptions you mentioned) and the expectation is that Canadians will capitulate (along with the rest of the West).

No one is saying Khalistanis were right in doing the things they did in India, but sending Indian RAW and assassins to Canada is a game changer now.

So I will repeat the reasons why I think that Canadians will sit on their tush is unrealistic - in spite of your perceptions.

Canada, US and the rest of the NATO countries speak with one voice - always. Threatening Canada's sovereignty is the same as threatening that of the US and most NATO members.

Right now - the US might be okay to look the other way on India's assassination attempts, but push comes to shove, they will stand behind Canada. They can do things in geopolitical context too, like maybe what happened in Bangladesh.

• About ~75% or more of the armaments produced in India as JV's have Western or Israeli imported components, like radars on India's destroyers and most components on the Tejas fighter, just a few examples.
• Majority of India's remittances come from the West and its stooges. They can make life for India's economy quite difficult, in spite of the threshold and heft you mention. Remittance to India was a major part of Indian economy, which was $125 Billion last year.
• Most of Indian labor class remits money from the Gulf (UAE mostly), who are also Western stooges. See chart below.
• India is heavily dependent on the West for the Backoffice business, not the other way round. This can go South with no guarantees at the stroke of a pen. Of course TCS, Wipro and others won't let it happen and will stop it far before anything untoward happens.

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I know it warms the cockles of every Indian's heart to think that their country is powerful in some way or the other, and they can teach Canadians a lesson. Perception is everything, as they say.

But reality (and the long terms fallout of this fiasco) may be very different.

This (hardening of Indian sentiment against Canada) has not happened overnight.

Nor is a a jingoistic muscular knee jerk against the buffoon currently leading Canada.

Kanishka was unpardonable.

Which is why Indians across the political spectrum, including and especially those who do not like the BJP and its cohorts, are all rallying around the flag here together.

The West has only once chance and one candidate of similar size and heft to counter China with.

Were that nation to be pushed into the Sino Russian axis permanently, it would effectively signal the end of western global preeminence (forget hegemony).

With the threshold heft come options and leverage.

And that threshold heft is built on a strong foundation of organic self reliance.

Sanctions are not new to India.

My generation has seen western sanctions since the 70s.

If little Iran can do it, you think India cannot?

 

[Dogun18]

 

[Krishna with Flute]

The problem with Canada is that Canada wants to cover all the crimes of these Khalistani Speariest under the cover of Freedom of speech. They can threaten Indian diplomats, reveal their identity, they can issue warning of bombing the plane, they can openly threaten to break India under the cover of freedom of speech. Canada will protect them under the cover of freedom of speech. If you do that, you are a terrorist country and India has all the rights to target all those who roams freely in Canada violating all international norms and conventions made in this regards.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

All I am stating is this: Suppose BLA members were given sanctuary in another country. The ISI eventually seeks to eliminate them on that country's soil because they threaten Pakistani sovereignty.

The Pakistani military's argument will be is that since the country refuses to hand them over, they undermine Pakistani sovereignty by hosting them.

There are two types of separatists. One who fights ideological battle. Another type is those who are involved in violent act. They conspire, promote and threaten the involve acts. Second kind is dangerous, and they need to be dealt in the manner in which they choose as the act of protest. With first type, you can engage in dialogue.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Hindu Temple attacked in Canada. Is it a Demonstration of Freedom to destroy temple in Canada?

Justin Trudeau condemns violence at Hindu temple near Toronto​

Local police in the city of Brampton, roughly 50 km (30 miles) northwest of Toronto, said they had deployed heavily outside the Hindu Sabha Mandir in order to maintain calm during a protest​

Updated - November 04, 2024 11:50 am IST - Toronto, Canada
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Violence at Hindu Sabha Mandir in Brampton. Screengrab: Chandra Arya via @AryaCanada/X
Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau condemned as "unacceptable" violence at a Hindu temple near Toronto on Sunday (November 3, 2024), following skirmishes blamed by some leaders on Sikh activists.


Local police in the city of Brampton, roughly 50 km (30 miles) northwest of Toronto, said they had deployed heavily outside the Hindu Sabha Mandir in order to maintain calm during a protest.


A spokesman for the Peel Regional Police told AFP that no arrests had been made. Police have also declined to assign blame for the reported violence.






Did not want to blow up India ties: Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau

"The acts of violence at the Hindu Sabha Mandir in Brampton today are unacceptable. Every Canadian has the right to practice their faith freely and safely," Mr. Trudeau wrote on X.


A federal lawmaker and member of Trudeau's Liberal Party, Chandra Arya, blamed the incident on "Khalistanis," a reference to supporters of the fringe separatist movement for an independent Sikh homeland in India's Punjab state.

Relations between Canada and India have nosedived after Ottawa accused the Indian Government of orchestrating the 2023 killing in Vancouver of 45-year-old naturalized Canadian citizen Hardeep Singh Nijjar, a prominent Khalistan activist.


Beyond Nijjar's killing, Canada has accused India of directing a broad campaign targeting Sikh activists on Canadian soil, which Ottawa says has included intimidation, threats and violence.

"A red line has been crossed by Canadian Khalistani extremists today," Mr. Arya, who is Hindu, posted on X.

PM Trudeau ruined relations between India, Canada for votes: Former Punjab CM Amarinder Singh

"The attack by Khalistanis on the Hindu-Canadian devotees inside the premises of the Hindu Sabha temple in Brampton shows how deep and brazen has Khalistani violent extremism has become in Canada," he said.


Video circulating on social media appears to show individuals carrying yellow Khalistan flags clashing with a rival group, including people holding Indian flags. There were also isolated fist fights, videos show.


Mr. Trudeau charged the Government of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi with violating Canadian sovereignty.

India has rejected the allegations.

Delhi and Ottawa earlier this month each expelled the other's ambassador and other senior diplomats.


Published - November 04, 2024 09:41 am IST
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Trudeau condemns violence at Hindu temple in Canada

Trudeau condemns violence at Hindu temple near Toronto, blames Sikh activists, sparking tensions between Canada and India.

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[Sharma Ji]

import the 3rd world, import their problems

xutia liberal canuckistan paying the price now

 

[Krishna with Flute]

import the 3rd world, import their problems

xutia liberal canuckistan paying the price now

Partly true. Many Indian migrants are there in many countries and they run their Medial sector, IT Sector and Education sector. If you allow criminals on the name of Asylum, you will pay the price. Anyway, Canada is a gone case. One can determine his/her gender by declaration. Too much BS on the name of individual freedom. Drugs is rampant. Idiot like Trudeau is on helm and asylum to Khalistanis make it a gone case totally.

 

[Mainerik]

Anyway, Canada is a gone case.

The only gone case is India. Canada is far superior to what India can ever muster up.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

The only gone case is India. Canada is far superior to what India can ever muster up.

That is fine but take Israel seriously. It will be a problem otherwise.

 

[Dogun18]

That is fine but take Israel seriously. It will be a problem otherwise.

He has a point. Canada only went public after consulting with the five eyes. At the same time, the US released a name of an Indian agent operating in the west.

India is getting isolated here and appears to be far more of a lost case.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

He has a point. Canada only went public after consulting with the five eyes. At the same time, the US released a name of an Indian agent operating in the west.

India is getting isolated here and appears to be far more of a lost case.

India has passed the stage where this Isolation sort of things may apply. No country has the guts to Isolate India. Germany, US, UK etc. have fallen in line after some gimmick.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

The west does not understand that they do not enjoy the same privilege and status they used to enjoy before 2 decade ago. They still trying to talk in same language what they used to talk before 2 decade and that causes problem. As a result, they have to face humiliation.

 

[Vsdoc]

Canada in a weird way is serving an important role.

It is largely unimportant to India and hence India in turn is using it to send the larger West an important unmistakable message.

And the shrieks are due to the fact that the message has gotten across.

 

[Mainerik]

It's both ways. By hosting Sikh separatists, Canada is clearly asking for trouble. I mean the West invaded Afghanistan by the under pretexts that Osama Bin Laden committed the 9/11 attacks since the Taliban refused to hand him over.

So they cannot complain. Because as far as the Bharati government sees it, these Sikh separatists undermine Bharati sovereignty.

You do not understand. India just claims, it does not provide proof. You cannot simply claim someone to be a terrorist and get them extradited. India suppresses its minorities at home but it cannot do it abroad. India is much like Israel in this case.

 

[Dogun18]

It's both ways. By hosting Sikh separatists, Canada is clearly asking for trouble. I mean the West invaded Afghanistan by the under pretexts that Osama Bin Laden committed the 9/11 attacks since the Taliban refused to hand him over.

So they cannot complain. Because as far as the Bharati government sees it, these Sikh separatists undermine Bharati sovereignty.

That's the problem. Sikhs abroad are no threat to Indian society. Everything India does hits them in the back. Everything Indians do that made others hate them is their own social construct, it's a social revolution that they built against themselves because of their own attitudes. Afghans and Iranians use to love Indians. Indians online made them hate them due to their anti-Gaza and anti-Muslim cause, you should be able to see this, Thunder! Moroccans watched Indian Bollywood daily, now they are boycotting it, because of what? Because of Indian attitude. The Gulf locals are now considering not hiring their Indians due to their anti Islamic hatred.

You must think big, Thunder. You are stuck in this secular box. Khalistan was of no threat to India but India went ahead and killed a few dissidents abroad. This only caused more backlack from the five eyes, countries who use to have good relations with India!

India will fall due to Modi's regime the same way Israel will fall due to the Zionist mindset.

 

[Sharma Ji]

ISI funded Sikh Khali "separatists" are a threat

it matters little who happens to be running india

apni fikr karo @Dogun18

 

[Sharma Ji]

your ISI took out that poor Arshad guy, tucchi harkat, low level gangster waali

we here smoking cigars and doing it right

 

[Vsdoc]

That's the problem. Sikhs abroad are no threat to Indian society. Everything India does hits them in the back. Everything Indians do that made others hate them is their own social construct, it's a social revolution that they built against themselves because of their own attitudes. Afghans and Iranians use to love Indians. Indians online made them hate them due to their anti-Gaza and anti-Muslim cause, you should be able to see this, Thunder! Moroccans watched Indian Bollywood daily, now they are boycotting it, because of what? Because of Indian attitude. The Gulf locals are now considering not hiring their Indians due to their anti Islamic hatred.

You must think big, Thunder. You are stuck in this secular box. Khalistan was of no threat to India but India went ahead and killed a few dissidents abroad. This only caused more backlack from the five eyes, countries who use to have good relations with India!

India will fall due to Modi's regime the same way Israel will fall due to the Zionist mindset.

Don't know about Afghans (your claim) but I do not think Iranians ever had too much love lost for Indians beyond the perfunctory cultural and civilisational sound bites.

And trust me, they look at Pakistanis as Indian Hindu converts.

So ... ya, apni dekho.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

That's the problem. Sikhs abroad are no threat to Indian society. Everything India does hits them in the back. Everything Indians do that made others hate them is their own social construct, it's a social revolution that they built against themselves because of their own attitudes. Afghans and Iranians use to love Indians. Indians online made them hate them due to their anti-Gaza and anti-Muslim cause, you should be able to see this, Thunder! Moroccans watched Indian Bollywood daily, now they are boycotting it, because of what? Because of Indian attitude. The Gulf locals are now considering not hiring their Indians due to their anti Islamic hatred.

You must think big, Thunder. You are stuck in this secular box. Khalistan was of no threat to India but India went ahead and killed a few dissidents abroad. This only caused more backlack from the five eyes, countries who use to have good relations with India!

India will fall due to Modi's regime the same way Israel will fall due to the Zionist mindset.

So far as Afghan is concerned, they still loves Indians and more than ever before. So far as Iran is concern, the bluffing what Iranian radical regime has done is unacceptable. They hang Sunni Clerics on crain, they kill their girl for not wearing Burkha or Hizab and lectures India on Muslim rights which they themselves have never respected. In Retaliation of that, Indians might have posted something about Iran. I believe that we need to make a distinction so as to ensure that while criticizing any government of country, we should ensure that we do not criticize that country as a whole.
In earlier post on issue of Israel vs Iran, I had written that Israel should ensure that Irani people does not get harmed in attack as Iranian people are not as anti-Israel as Iranian totalitarian government. So far as myself is concern, I am opposed to this Mullah government in Iran while I love Iranian people.