South Asia A Sustainable Socio Economic, Enviromental Model for Rural Subcontinent Area - Case Studies, Ideas, Models and initiatives.

[Guru Dutt]

I think you are painting with too broad a brush and don't understand the underlying dynamics.

Educated Middle class Indian Muslims rejected Western education as a protest against the British Raj starting in the mid 1700s (Company Raj) following Bangla Nawab's defeat at Palashi (Plessey), they were not going to lick British boots. Which is why the lower rate of education for Muslims in British India and why they did not feature widely as administrative servants under Company and British Raj.

Upper class Indian Muslims got educated in Western Universities any way.

Middle class Indian Muslims got Aligarh Renaissance later (and similar opportunities).

First thing First .... the so called Muslim feudal elite /Mansabdaar's or Nawabs or Subedaar's type later who under British became Zameendaar's dint just invited British against Marathas but had earlier even called Nadir shah Nd then same delhi clergy likes of waliullah dehelvi called ahmed shah abdali against marathas again and before that there ancesstors had called Babbar against Pathan Ibrahim Lodhi who they thought was a bif too soft towards Rajpoots and even had Hindu Hemu as his Army chief


so cutting long story short these same muslim feudals and religious and high clergy in Shahi court had time and again invited foriegn powers even Tipu sultan had invited Shah of Afghanistan to wage a Jihad against growing powers of marathas in deccan and middle india and sikhs , rajpoots and jaats in north and north western india

Having said that on the education front even there there was never a problem even in times since mamluk empires there was a wast madarssa culture specially all across UP , MP and what was Pakistan and indian Punjab , haryana and higher english styel education for elite muslims was not limited to AMU

funny fact is the language URDU was propogated by British before that in till early 1900s it was called Zuban E URDU or "Rekhta" or DACCANNI or commonlli as HINDVI/Hindustani

but when British started there hyper Divide & rule policy for which they divided East & west bengal on basis of Hindu and muslim and statrted using muslim elite against Congress which now strated to show nationalistic and revolting colours with people like Bal Ganghadar Tilak , Lalla Lajpat Rai Bipin Chandra pal or bunkin chandra chaterjiand Molana Hazrat Mohani had started asking for SWARAJ so British perpped up muslim elite and for that they first drew a DURAND LINE and sepratted Afghanistan from Hindustan which was always considerred part of Indian civilization(Gandhara) since times of Mahabharta or Ashoka and even Mughals and later Nepal and Bhutan and mayanmar/burma and Cylone/sri lanka from united India and lastly Pakistan was acrved out of Unted India which in 1971 also gave birth to Bangladesh


long story short Muslim elite always put its False ego and martial race superiorty above the people or nation/civilization of Hindustan which they never considerred themselfs as part of but only as Victors/Hukumraan E waqt and rest every one as there RIYAYYAH and for that time and agained invited invaders and betrayed and killed there own people .... tell me has anything changed

 

[Vsdoc]

Well this is subjective i guess ....

Muslims of India never really wanted Develpoment or Progress in so called WERSTERN METIRIALISTIC STANDARDS like

Democratic rights to all citizens of state without discrimination based on Gender/ caste /religion/Race

Eduction for all without discrimination based on Gender/ caste /religion/Race

Equality Before Law without discrimination based on Gender/ caste /religion/Race

thats cause they always thought themselfs superior to Non Muslims and this shows about how they treat Hindus / Sikhs /Bhudists or christians like non Muslim religious minorities or even non sunni muslim sects like Shias or ahmedies in Pakistan or Bangladesh

https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/census-1931-why-its-relevant-now-more-than-ever

funniest part is even education dose not helps rather those who made Pakistan or proposed Idea of Pakistan were mostlyShiekh Muslims and Shia muslim feudals on UP & MP & Bengal presidency and Ahmedies in Punjab province

just look at education %age of Muslims Vs Hindus in 1931 for expample
please share your thoughts @Saif @Lulldapull @Bilal9 @Bagheera0084 @Vsdoc

Numbers speak for themselves.

There are how many Indians here?

6?

How many Muslims do each of us remember in our school class or college batch?

Remember the total number of Muslims as a percentage of our population.

One should normally see near about the same mix in school, if not college (especially professional degrees).

 

[Vsdoc]

And then ask yourselves, how many of those Muslims you remember were girls.

 

[Guru Dutt]

Numbers speak for themselves.

There are how many Indians here?

6?

How many Muslims do each of us remember in our school class or college batch?

Remember the total number of Muslims as a percentage of our population.

One should normally see near about the same mix in school, if not college (especially professional degrees).

well cnt say about then but today when i go drop my child to AKAASH for medical coaching there yu see many burke waliyan they are 10% of female students and 20% of male students prepairing for medical and same is with engineering and UPSC

 

[Guru Dutt]

And then ask yourselves, how many of those Muslims you remember were girls.

i had my graduation from Dr Zakir Hussain College oppsite Ram Lila Maidan adjecent to Turkman Gate Old Delhi and it was Muslim Majority College ... per maine teen saal wahan bhee Navratro me Havan karaya

 

[Vsdoc]

I think you are painting with too broad a brush and don't understand the underlying dynamics.

Educated Middle class Indian Muslims rejected Western education as a protest against the British Raj starting in the mid 1700s (Company Raj) following Bangla Nawab's defeat at Palashi (Plessey), they were not going to lick British boots. Which is why the lower rate of education for Muslims in British India and why they did not feature widely as administrative servants under Company and British Raj.

Upper class Indian Muslims got educated in Western Universities any way.

Middle class Indian Muslims got Aligarh Renaissance later (and similar opportunities).

And now they don't want to lick Hindu boots.

So they choose ro be mechanics, darzis, mochis, plumbers, electricians, kasais, drug peddlers, body shop owners (stolen bikes and cars recycling), waiters, rickshaw wallas, etc.

 

[Vsdoc]

well cnt say about then but today when i go drop my child to AKAASH for medical coaching there yu see many burke waliyan they are 10% of female students and 20% of male students prepairing for medical and same is with engineering and UPSC

So that's a distinct generational shift.

 

[Guru Dutt]

And now they don't want to lick Hindu boots.

So they choose ro be mechanics, darzis, mochis, plumbers, electricians, kasais, drug peddlers, body shop owners (stolen bikes and cars recycling), waiters, rickshaw wallas, etc.

fall of muslim in education and stutus is related to there over breeding obsession

it was OK to have ten or twelwe kids in times when 7-8 kids died before reaching there teen years but till 1970s with advanced medical and other atributes that infant mortality rate came down almost to 1/10th so still muslims kept doing it to breed out hindus

so when there were two guys both earning say 10000/- per month one had two kids other had 12 tell me the one who had 12 will he be able to give good education or proper food or clothing or things to all his kids just like the one who had just two kids with same income and it kept on repeating genration after genration while the Hindu or sikh genration jumped many points in income deu to education and better skills muslims lagged behind deu to no education or proper food and medical help for almost 70 years and today they blame every one else for there pathettic state than there own misplaced obsession .. funny isnt it

 

[Bilal9]

And now they don't want to lick Hindu boots.

So they choose ro be mechanics, darzis, mochis, plumbers, electricians, kasais, drug peddlers, body shop owners (stolen bikes and cars recycling), waiters, rickshaw wallas, etc.

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