[🇮🇳] Tejas Mk2 AKA Medium Weight Fighter-An Indian workhorse in making to replace-Mig-29, Mirage-2000 and Jaguar fleet

[Krishna with Flute]

So - what generation can Tejas Mk. II MWF be called? 2.5 or 3?

2 generation behind Mig 21and 5 generation behind Jf 17 which BD intends to buy.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Now Designers have revealed that MWF's Frontal RCS shall be 1/4th of RCS of Tejas MK1 A. This means that its frontal RCS shall be less than 0.1 Meter Square.

Tejas MkII Frontal RCS is Four Times Stealthier Than Mk1A Says Project Director – Indian Defence Research Wing

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MWF shall have capability to Identify and first shoot capability against all Chinese and Pakistani fighters excluding J20 and including J10 (infect J1 to J100) and fire a BVR at them before even they can see it. Mighty Astra Series (MK1-110 KM, MK2-160 KM, MK3-340 KM range) can finish them off from long distance.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

The one area where MWF shall be ahead of all planes is weapon. It will have French, European, Israeli, Russian and Indian weapon options. In short weapons from all major sources excluding US and China (Do not fall in sophisticated weapon category). India uses all of them. ASRAAM, Mica, Meteor, R 37, R 73, Python V, Derby, I-Derby, Astra MK1, Mk2, MK3, Sudarshan, Gaurav, Spice, Hammer etc. Everything India using now except Astra Mk3 still under development.

 

[Bilal9]

2 generation behind Mig 21and 5 generation behind Jf 17 which BD intends to buy.

Why mention Bangladesh and hijack the thread with an off-topic comment?

I was asking a simple question and a simple answer would have sufficed.

We know Bangladesh does not stand a chance against mighty Indian Airforce and its collection of Brahmastra, Varunastra etc.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Why mention Bangladesh and hijack the thread with an off-topic comment?

I was asking a simple question and a simple answer would have sufficed.

We know Bangladesh does not stand a chance against mighty Indian Airforce and its collection of Brahmastra, Varunastra etc.

Because you asked whether it is 2nd generation or 2.5 generation. Which country produces 2nd generation plane today? Can you name one? You attempted an sarcasm and I took it forward.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

MWF will counter Pakistani Jf17, Chinese J10, J11 etc. It my counter Chinese j20 Stealth fighter as well. So it is very interesting to evaluate the conflicts scenario of medium weight fighter with various Chinese and Pakistani fighters including f-16.

Let us start with JF17. In BVR engagement,

JF 17 with matel skin and not design with stealth in mind has a higher RCS of around 1 to 2 square metre while the medium weight fighter will have a frontal RCS of 0.1 square metre. Let us assume that by the time Pakistan operates JF 17 block 3 with chinese KL J7 A radar and India will operate mwf with Uttam MK 2 radar with 980 TR modules. So MWF fighter can detect JF 17 from at least 200 km distance while kLJ 17 cannot detect MWF at a distance of over 80 km. This gives MWF an out right advantage of over 100 KM of first detection. MWF can see JF17 at least 100 KM before JF 17 can see medium weight fighter. With the BVRs like Astra Mk1, MK 2, MK3, Russian R77, R37, R27 etc it can engage JF7 from a very long distance of 150 km while JF 17 can not engage mwf distance of over 60 to 70 km. Here mwf has a clear advantage. There is absolutely no comparison or competition at all in BVR combat. In WVR engagement, JF 17 can at least see MWF and try to fire short range Chinese missile at MWF. However, because of superior agility, higher trust engine and state of our infrared Seeker missiles like ASRAAM, Python V, MWF can easily shoot down JF17. MWF with superior EW suit, can not only jam Chinese short range missilesmissiles but also target it very easily with Israeli and European missiles which are best in their class. India possesses all of them. There is absolutely no fare engagement so far as JF 17 and MWF is concern. Only F 16 will have some chances against medium made fighter which we will see later on. It will be advisable for Pakistan not to sent JF 17 to engage MWF. Scenario of J10 will be and large similar. Both Chinese fighters will decisively be outclassed by MWF.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Absolutely. They assemble the Russian Yakhont and named it Brahmastra etc.

And are selling it to countries like the Phillippines. Until the Filipinos find out how questionable the quality is, all will be fine.

The story keeps repeating of Indian products like the "Dhruv" helis they sold to Ecuador, another debacle. No one will be buying Indian products in South America any more, especially armaments or fighting platforms.

Since 2009, four of the seven helicopters had succumbed to accidents, resulting in the death of three Ecuadorian Airforce personnel.

Just shameless of Indians to sell these helis when Indians knew how bad these are. As of 2016, the Indian Air Force (IAF) had also grounded its Dhruv fleet three times because of technical issues.

Ecuadorian Air Force will sell-off HAL Dhruv helicopters - Quwa

The Ecuadorian Air Force is looking to sell-off its three remaining Hindustan Aeronautics Limited Dhruv helicopters following a challenging operational run since 2009…

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India assembles Russian missile and sells it to other country because Russia itself can not do that. That is what you want to say?

 

[Bilal9]

 

[Krishna with Flute]

So far as J 10 is concern, MWF with Uttam MK2 with 980 TR module will be be able to detect J 10 from about 170 to 200 k.m of range. MWF with 0.1 Sq meter frontal RCS can be detected by KLJ 7A from a distance of 60 k.m. In case loaded with 6 to 8 missiles both planes can detect each other from a longer distance say above 200 k.m. by MWF and about 120 K.M by J 10. In that scenario, MWF will have atleast 60 to 100 K.M. Advantage of first see an first shoot. There is no competition here. MWF Shall be an out right winner.

If the planes are managed to come closer, say less than 80 k.m. (With load) , J10 can fire PL-15. MWF will have multiple options of firing R 37, R27, I derby, Astra Mk1 and Astra MkII (Not Astra Mk III as it would have been fire when J 10 was 150 to 200 k.m. away) and detected by MWF radar Uttam. Here both the planes will have some chance to fire missile but because of lower RCS and superior EW, chances of survival of MWF are far batter. However, here J 10 will have some chances unlike when they were 120 k.m apart where J10 had no chance.

WVR combat: If both the planes are managed to come closer, to say 25 k.m. distance or bellow, both the planes can fire WVR missile. India does not have its own WVR missile yet but India operates world's top class WVR missiles including ASRAAM, MICA, Python V, and R73. however, both the planes will have some chances but MWF has far superior WVR missile and batter EW to dodge PL -8 (outdated)and PL-10 (Good one). MWF has batter chances of survival.

If both the planes comes further close to a dog fight distance, MWF will prevail over J10 A and B because of superior maneuverability.

However, with J10 C with TVC can change the equation. J10 C with superior maneuverability can prevail over MWF in dog fight. J 10 C will have an edge.

Whatever I have written for J 10 C is by and large true for J 11.

Overall , MWF will dominate by a big margin. J 10 and J11 will have a little chance to survive against MWF. It will be batter for China to not send J10 and J11 to mess against MWF. The only option China will have shall be J20. I shall discuss that later.

 

[Bilal9]

So far as J 10 is concern, MWF with Uttam MK2 with 980 TR module will be be able to detect J 10 from about 170 to 200 k.m of range. MWF with 0.1 Sq meter RCS can be detected by KLJ 7A from a distance of 60 k.m. In case loaded with 6 to 8 missiles both planes can detect each other from a longer distance say above 200 k.m. by MWF and about 120 K.M by J 10. In that scenario, MWF will have atleast 60 to 100 K.M. Advantage of first see an first shoot. There is no competition here. MWF Shall be an out right winner.

If the planes are managed to come closer, say less than 80 k.m. (With load) , J10 can fire PL-15. MWF will have multiple options of firing R 37, R27, I derby, Astra Mk1 and Astra MkII (Not Astra Mk III as it would have been fire when J 10 was 150 to 200 k.m. away and detected by MWF radar Uttam. Here both the planes will have some chance to fire missile but because of lower RCS and superior EW, chances of survival of MWF are far batter. However, here J 10 will have some chances unlike 120 k.m distance where J10 had no chance.

WVR combat: If both the planes are managed to come closer, to say 25 k.m. distance or bellow, both the planes can fire WVR missile. India does not have its own WVR missile yet but India operates world's top class WVR missiles including ASRAAM, MICA, Python V, and R73. however, both the planes will have some chances but India has far superior WVR missile and MWF has for batter EW to dodge PL -8 outdated and PL-10 (Good one). MWF has batter chances of survival.

If both the planes comes further close to a dog fight distance, MWF will prevail over J10 A and B.

However, with J10 C with TVC can change the equation. J10 C with superior maneuverability can prevail over MWF in dog fight. J 10 C will have an edge.

Whatever I have written for J 10 C is by and large true for J 11.

Overall , MWF will dominate by a big margin. J 10 and J11 will have a little chance to survive against MWF. It will be batter for China to not send J10 and J11 to mess against MWF. The only option China will have shall be J20. I shall discuss that later.

No need to write volumes extolling Indian armed platforms and bad-mouthing Chinese ones.

We will see during an actual conflict how good Indian missiles and armed platforms are versus Chinese ones. Get ready for the inevitable.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

No need to write volumes extolling Indian armed platforms and bad-mouthing Chinese ones.

We will see during an actual conflict how good Indian missiles and armed platforms are versus Chinese ones. Get ready for the inevitable.

There is a good likelihood that it may happen as Pakistan too has acquired J10. BD is planning to have it. In case of Pakistan, war may last for maximum 3 days. In case of BD, 12 hours max. In case of China, it may last long if atall China dares to go to war with India.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Awesome take off and maneuvers of Tejas.