[🇹🇷] Turkish Tea House - Çay Bahçesi

[Old School]

Lailik is not the same as secularism of Europe or North America. Turkey's concept of "secularism" is different from those countries and Attaturk's politics were very much Islamic.

Brunei is developed because it is an oil rich country.

Stop importing your trolling habits from the previous forum. This is what you come for. To troll and repeat your stupidity here. Cut it out.

I have also noticed another pattern where one never reads/understands the posts and keeps replying with 'red herring'/ strawman arguments. I am unsure if those elements are trolls, but those are annoying. In a defense forum, expecting people to be above-average knowledgeable is not unreasonable. However, as with OLD PDF, most participants are best fit for casual topic forums, unfortunately.

 

[Deleted due to Error (Muji Iqbal)]

I have also noticed another pattern where one never reads/understands the posts and keeps replying with 'red herring'/ strawman arguments. I am unsure if those elements are trolls, but those are annoying. In a defense forum, expecting people to be above-average knowledgeable is not unreasonable. However, as with OLD PDF, most participants are best fit for casual topic forums, unfortunately.

Someone claimed I was trolling. How am I trolling, Sir? I am simply stating facts.

 

[Old School]

Someone claimed I was trolling. How am I trolling, Sir? I am simply stating facts.

Next time, support facts with source links or references, which everyone should do. Anything that is not common knowledge, like the sun rising from the east, should be supported by facts with references and not by personal opinions. When you provide a source, it shifts the burden from you to the source. Mind it that Quora or any other forum website is not a valid source.

 

[ThunderCat]

I have also noticed another pattern where one never reads/understands the posts and keeps replying with 'red herring'/ strawman arguments. I am unsure if those elements are trolls, but those are annoying. In a defense forum, expecting people to be above-average knowledgeable is not unreasonable. However, as with OLD PDF, most participants are best fit for casual topic forums, unfortunately.

I was intending to propose stronger policies against this kind of behavior which I consider trolling. But I want it to be forum policy to recognizing this behavior as trolling.

 

[ThunderCat]

Next time, support facts with source links or references, which everyone should do. Anything that is not common knowledge, like the sun rising from the east, should be supported by facts with references and not by personal opinions. When you provide a source, it shifts the burden from you to the source. Mind it that Quora or any other forum website is not a valid source.

I provided him with quotes by Attaturk himself as well quotes about his politics and actions. The guy just mindlessly repeated himself again and again like a parrot. Clearly he doesn't have the IQ of a human being.

I know I seem harsh but this guy has a history of doing this ****. He went by the name Multani Guy and was eventually banned on the last forum. He then reappeared with this ID.

If you look back a few forums he brags about Brunei being developed despite being a religious theocracy. Apparently he thinks we weren't aware it's an oil-rich country.

You see why I get frustrated with this guy's posts. Considering he was already banned for this shows how the previous forum admins regarded him. Even other posters expressed annoyance at him.

 

[Old School]

I was intending to propose stronger policies against this kind of behavior which I consider trolling. But I want it to be forum policy to recognizing this behavior as trolling.

We are in the beginning phase and have just finished optimizing the UI. New policies/rules with contemporary trends will be formulated soon. We aim to set new qualitative standards for a defense forum, setting us apart from the populist approaches of the Old PDF and other forums.

 

[ThunderCat]

counter my arguments instead, if you can that is.

There's no point since i've done it lots of times, only for you to mindlessly repeat yourself in reaction to being refuted, pretending I did not counter them. You should have honored your ban and stayed away.

I've already refuted you on Attaturk. Plenty of forum members clearly did not want you on PDF for these reasons.

 

[TheNewb77]

@Muji.Iqbal Spamming is against the forum rules, please do not treat this forum as your playground. In one of your posts you mentioned that this forum is not the successor of the Old PDF, but that is only heresay and subjective. And that also does not give you the right to spam endlessly like this. Would you had spammed in the other forum, why treat our forum like this?

This is your first warning.

 

[Deleted due to Error (Muji Iqbal)]

@Muji.Iqbal Spamming is against the forum rules, please do not treat this forum as your playground. In one of your posts you mentioned that this forum is not the successor of the Old PDF, but that is only heresay and subjective. And that also does not give you the right to spam endlessly like this. Would you had spammed in the other forum, why treat our forum like this?

This is your first warning.

I had to refute @ThunderCat. I did not know posting repetitively was against Forum rules.

But he is desecrating my character, I have a right to refute that guy.

 

[Deleted due to Error (Muji Iqbal)]

@Muji.Iqbal Spamming is against the forum rules, please do not treat this forum as your playground. In one of your posts you mentioned that this forum is not the successor of the Old PDF, but that is only heresay and subjective. And that also does not give you the right to spam endlessly like this. Would you had spammed in the other forum, why treat our forum like this?

This is your first warning.

Yes I understand, but @ThunderCat is desecrating my character with no proof or evidence whatsoever.
I have a right to refute and answer him back. He is behaving in a nasty way towards me. You should at least acknowledge that.

"I did not know posting repetitively was against forum rules." Now I know now. You have told me now.
I will be more careful from now onwards.

 

[TheNewb77]

Yes I understand, but @ThunderCat is desecrating my character with no proof or evidence whatsoever.
I have a right to refute and answer him back. He is behaving in a nasty way towards me. You should at least acknowledge that.

You can talk to him privately or put him on your ignore list. But to make more than 20+ posts and to keep going and then to make a statement of this not being the successor to PDF (which is heresay and subjective) only shows me that you considered spamming here as a right and nothing else.

Take your conversations privately.

 

[ThunderCat]

@Muji.Iqbal Spamming is against the forum rules, please do not treat this forum as your playground. In one of your posts you mentioned that this forum is not the successor of the Old PDF, but that is only heresay and subjective. And that also does not give you the right to spam endlessly like this. Would you had spammed in the other forum, why treat our forum like this?

This is your first warning.

He's been doing this since the previous forum. Spamming thread after thread and annoying dozens of members. He then laughs off any refutation and repeated himself like a parrot. He was banned for this sort of behavior from the previous forum as Multani Guy. He returned under this user name and continued this behavior.

Then after being warned by you, he then turns around and acts like a victim. He exhausted other members patience on the previous forum because of this behavior.

He cites Malaysia, Brunei and Saudi Arabia as developed countries because he thinks it's not apparent to us these are oil-rich countries. Then he mocks me for pointing out that they are.

 

[Mkesath]

I would love to visit Turkey. It is much more developed than the Arab countries I heard.

But I reject their secular government, lol, or laiklik.

if they had no secular government it would not be any different from arab nations today lol, maybe even worse

 

[Deleted due to Error (Muji Iqbal)]

if they had no secular government it would not be any different from arab nations today lol, maybe even worse

What does Secular government have to do with being industrialized and economically developed?

 

[Old School]

if they had no secular government it would not be any different from arab nations today lol, maybe even worse

Did you know that the Ottoman Empire did not actively promote the printing press due to fears that mass education would make people literate and oppose their luxurious theocracy ? They were promoting only handwritten books, primarily religious books, available for the majority of the poor, even though the printing press was unofficially available in Ottoman Turkey at almost the same time as in the rest of Europe. This strategy is one of the reasons the Ottomans could not compete with the rest of Europe.
People in Ottoman Turkey had to learn two alphabets - Roman and Arabic at the same time, which made mass literacy very difficult. Kemal Ataturk romanized the Turkish script so that people only had to learn one alphabet instead of two. This change quickly increased Turkish literacy by manifolds.
We have the same problem in Pakistan, where many students struggle to learn the Roman and Urdu alphabets. Literacy in Pakistan is, therefore, very low. Indonesia also switched to the Roman alphabet from Arabic to write its language long ago. As a result, it has 99% literacy. The Mughal sultanate in Delhi outright did not allow a printing press for the same fear. The British promoted the printing press and mass education in our country.