[🇵🇰] US imposes sanctions on suppliers to Pakistan’s ballistic missile programme

[Lulldapull]

I'm surprised people still need to be told that.

Maybe we are old.

There is a hilarious discussion on this topic going on in the other forum. Most don't realize the fundamental issue that Pakistan is under total IMF control, in other words under total CIA control.

The posters on the other forum seem to be under some illusions that we got some leeway here for even negotiations on this subject of sanctions on our missile program.

Facts are that the US has allowed China to deliver a small inventory of ballistic missiles to Pakistan and they are no threat to any country.

What nobody asks over there is that why all of a sudden there are sanctions on our relatively harmless almost benign ballistic missile program bought and paid for by China?

My contention is that this is an issue between the US and China, which people are willfully ignoring.

 

[Sharma Ji]

US allowed it to check India.

and AQ Khan was just the fall guy to pull wool over everyone's eyes ?

no, credit where due.. by hook or by crook, Fauz boys got r dun !

dont fall for online chatter, Pindi lot, who we here have known since FOREVER are the real deal.. the kingpins in your erstwhile home mulk.. they were always the power center, and remain so.

IK level dumb baatein na kar, pls.. most behooving of you, good sir.

@VCheng sahab is knowing the score, I'm quite sure !

 

[VCheng]

and AQ Khan was just the fall guy to pull wool over everyone's eyes ?

no, credit where due.. by hook or by crook, Fauz boys got r dun !

dont fall for online chatter, Pindi lot, who we here have known since FOREVER are the real deal.. the kingpins in your erstwhile home mulk.. they were always the power center, and remain so.

IK level dumb baatein na kar, pls.. most behooving of you, good sir.

@VCheng sahab is knowing the score, I'm quite sure !

I've met AQ Khan, and many other people besides related to that program. That is all I can say here.

 

[PakistanProud]

I've met AQ Khan, and many other people besides related to that program. That is all I can say here.

You've met him physically on the ground? Interesting. How were your discussions with him?

 

[Lulldapull]

and AQ Khan was just the fall guy to pull wool over everyone's eyes ?

no, credit where due.. by hook or by crook, Fauz boys got r dun !

dont fall for online chatter, Pindi lot, who we here have known since FOREVER are the real deal.. the kingpins in your erstwhile home mulk.. they were always the power center, and remain so.

IK level dumb baatein na kar, pls.. most behooving of you, good sir.

@VCheng sahab is knowing the score, I'm quite sure !

No, after 9-11 the US put Pakistan under pressure because of the incident and to get concessions cuz we were running the AQ body shop for global terror. AQ Khan was just a metallurgist who stole centrifuge drawings from Urenco in Holland. What else did he do other than becoming the procurement chief running a small manufacturing workshop?

He just sourced material mainly from China. That's where everything useful came from anyway no? all the Uranium was procured, all the maraging steel for the rotors, all the transformers/ motors from Turkey.

Fissile Mat'l came from Chainda no? Triggers came from Chainda too, same same for the bumm design itself.

Today all our nuke tech comes from Chainda, except these are Plutonium based reactors. What have we done here? other than procurement?

 

[Sharma Ji]

No, after 9-11 the US put Pakistan under pressure because of the incident and to get concessions cuz we were running the AQ body shop for global terror. AQ Khan was just a metallurgist who stole centrifuge drawings from Urenco in Holland. What else did he do other than becoming the procurement chief running a small manufacturing workshop?

He just sourced material mainly from China. That's where everything useful came from anyway no? all the Uranium was procured, all the maraging steel for the rotors, all the transformers/ motors from Turkey.

Fissile Mat'l came from Chainda no? Triggers came from Chainda too, same same for the bumm design itself.

Today all our nuke tech comes from Chainda, except these are Plutonium based reactors. What have we done here? other than procurement?

Didn't take them very long (to put it mildly) after Pokhran to set one off their own in Chagai or wherever.

 

[Lulldapull]

Didn't take them very long (to put it mildly) after Pokhran to set one off their own in Chagai or wherever.

Lets get one thing straight. The US uses us to check India and put it in its place using China.

I hope that is not a hard one to understand?

The US and China are in bed together......hard to believe Indians don't understand this?

This is why the Iranis laugh at the hendu-pak toady......lol

 

[Sharma Ji]

Lets get one thing straight. The US uses us to check India and put it in its place using China.

I hope that is not a hard one to understand?

The US and China are in bed together......hard to believe Indians don't understand this?

This is why the Iranis laugh at the hendu-pak toady......lol

Sure, I agree.. China is the US' main adversary, whether its military, or trade, or global influence.

India, given how "yes saar, right away saar" subservient and compliant we are, would be pretty low down on their list of potential rivals or whatever. Big corporations aside, we a poor mess of a mulk too.

Could well be that the device used in quick time after Pokhran 2 came fully assembled, from China, and it is possible US had intel but chose to look the other way.. just speculating, could be anything.

 

[Lulldapull]

Sure, I agree.. China is the US' main adversary, whether its military, or trade, or global influence.

India, given how "yes saar, right away saar" subservient and compliant we are, would be pretty low down on their list of potential rivals or whatever. Big corporations aside, we a poor mess of a mulk too.

Could well be that the device used in quick time after Pokhran 2 came fully assembled, from China, and it is possible US had intel but chose to look the other way.. just speculating, could be anything.

No its pretty darn obvious. Both China and India 100% dependent on US trade......otherwise go back to riding bicycles bhai. It is us in Pakistan, way low down in da pecking order. Yous both far higher than us in the scheme.

 

[Sharma Ji]

No its pretty darn obvious. Both China and India 100% dependent on US trade......otherwise go back to riding bicycles bhai. It is us in Pakistan, way low down in da pecking order. Yous both far higher than us in the scheme.

Bro, everyone is 'dependent' on trade with the US to an extent, say for perhaps the DPRK, who again are kept alive by feeding tubes from China, who make their money from US. Full circle, ouroboros.

 

[VCheng]

You've met him physically on the ground? Interesting. How were your discussions with him?

I worked a few miles outside of Islamabad for a few years in a related field, and knew many of the main characters involved in certain projects. But all that was a long time ago.

One discussion that was frowned upon was about the necessity of having nuclear weapons at the cost of ignoring social development. We can see the results of those decisions more and more starkly today.

 

[Dogun18]

 

[Vsdoc]

I worked a few miles outside of Islamabad for a few years in a related field, and knew many of the main characters involved in certain projects. But all that was a long time ago.

One discussion that was frowned upon was about the necessity of having nuclear weapons at the cost of ignoring social development. We can see the results of those decisions more and more starkly today.

Frowned on has connotations that one can afford to idly speculate about, sitting accross the border far away in India.

I could have understood it being a people or race ir ethnicity thing if it was just Pakistan.

And Bangladesh had bucked the trend.

But most of us are now revising that calculus hastily.

Its got nothing to do with the people, or even those in charge.

 

[Lulldapull]

If we don't get hypersonic missiles, that means our nuke arsenal is blunted with the proliferation of ABM defenses. And it is rather preposterous of the US to assume that Pakistan acquiring ICBMs means it plans on targeting the US.

 

[VCheng]

Frowned on has connotations that one can afford to idly speculate about, sitting accross the border far away in India.

I could have understood it being a people or race ir ethnicity thing if it was just Pakistan.

And Bangladesh had bucked the trend.

But most of us are now revising that calculus hastily.

Its got nothing to do with the people, or even those in charge.

The whole region has to come to some form of consensus in this regards, eventually. Some day, perhaps, but not anytime soon, I think.