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Lulldapull said:
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I seen pics of old AFghan times when things were good with Unkill Sam..



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thing is, but, bro.. as we say around the here gangulands.. "taali ek haanth se nahi bajti"

that religious fanaticism was always there, inhone exploit kara what was already there.

as enemies do, they'll find faultlines and start chiseling and torquing away on it.
 
Guru Dutt said:
but ARMY alone is not responsible for everything nor dose it controls everything other wise if that been so there would have been no courts or no beurocracy of any kind or no police /rangers or frontier corps type para miliatary forces in pakistan today
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Judiciary and Beurocracy are loyal pets of the Military establishment. Paramilitaries are staffed by Army officers in their higher echelons. Military establishment is like an octopus with its tentacles everywhere.
Guru Dutt said:
problem with pakistan is that people of pakistan dont want to own the nation and all those problems and rectify them on there own but are waiting for someone /messihha type figure yesterday it was ZA Bhutto then Zia then Musharraf now its Imran Khan ... whose next ????
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You are wrong. The awareness and hate that exists now is unprecedented in history. Even during the heights of War in North West Pakistan, people in the west were mostly loyal to the establishment.

Its literally rare af to find anyone now who harbours any sympathy with Faujis and they themselves are digging their grave deeper. And I am happy with it. Establishment or not, our country would remain safe.

Afghans can't enter here if we locals dont want them to. They are armed and we are armed too. Come to Pishin anytime.
Sharma Ji said:
IK aaya tha all guns blazing, got shot down in a hurry, didn't he ?
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And became a mythical figure. His popularity is off the charts my guy. Yall wouldn't know cause the news outlets are controlled.
 
Sharma Ji said:
@Lulldapull does Iran have a high altitude anti ABM system ?

Some yahoo at the other place is talking about Pak nuking Israel. They'll have to go right through/above Iraand to hit them.

Those Bavar 373 something, license produced or copied S- 300s good enough ?
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During the IDF retaliation the Irani SAM's did great.

Of the 53 ALBM's launched from over Syrian airspace, 48 were shot down on or near the border with Iraq with only 5 making it through. One hit the OTH radar site in Khuzestan killing the three Air defense soldiers. One hit a truck/ tractor factory roof in Tehran with just roof damage. And the other 4 hit those thick semi buried 'rocket fuel' mixing compounds causing some damage.

Almost all were downed using the Irani SAMs of various types.

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Lulldapull said:
Of the 53 ALBM's launched from over Syrian airspace, 48 were shot down on or near the border with Iraq with only 5 making it through. One hit the OTH radar site in Khuzestan killing the three Air defense soldiers. One hit a truck/ tractor factory roof in Tehran with just roof damage. And the other 4 hit those thick semi buried 'rocket fuel' mixing compounds causing some damage.
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visuals ?

and is this OSINT or has it been acknowledged officially ?

one would think they'd be boasting of such a success. I haven't followed this super closely so if you know more, pls share.
 
Sharma Ji said:
visuals ?

and is this OSINT or has it been acknowledged officially ?

one would think they'd be boasting of such a success. I haven't followed this super closely so if you know more, pls share.
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I'm going by the Tasnim/ pressTV/ Fars news reports and Iranian defense guys on our other forum.

Israeli retaliatory response with huge US help in logistics/ ISR/ ECM support all over the Sy-Raaq airspace all amounted to nothing.

All Israeli weaponry funded by the US taxpayer. And it can't perform against peer competition.
 
@Bagheera0084 idhar hi baat kar lo, khull ke, without sharing those links or naming the place, ok ?

I used to lurk around those websites back in 2015 when Trump mania was at its peak. Sab ko galiyan dete rehte hain woh log, desis, blacks, latinos, hindu, musalman, sikh koi bhi unse alag jo hai.

Some of it was quite hilarious, when they'd bitch about Indian co workers and bosses, and their smelly food and ugly faces lol

none of it shocking, place had a reputation and I just went to check what it was all about.. what blew my mind there was that above all other groups/ethnicities on their shite lise, was the Jew !!!

bhai, niggas, packies, hindus etc to kuch bhi nahi hai.. they HATE Israel more than any musalmand has hated Israel.

Proper neo-nazis hain wahan pe, they hate Shlomo more than Sharma or Shamshuddin, or Singh
 
Lulldapull said:
I'm going by the Tasnim/ pressTV/ Fars news reports and Iranian defense guys on our other forum.

Israeli retaliatory response with huge US help in logistics/ ISR/ ECM support all over the Sy-Raaq airspace all amounted to nothing.

All Israeli weaponry funded by the US taxpayer. And it can't perform against peer competition.
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hmm. but Israel haven't gone after em fully in the way they have in Gaza and Lubnaan.

Much tougher to crack than those 2, will Iran be.

Which is not to say it can't be done, it most likely can, spl with Unkill Sam logistics and sapport.

Ir Syraq, both sides were fighting the same enemy many times.. bhot fog of war waali conflict.
 
Lulldapull said:
We got told in 1977 to get involved in Afghanistan or else!

Brzezinski met with Zia ul Huq and they hanged Bhutto on Kissinger's instructions who opposed going into Afghanistan.

Rest is history bhai.......
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that is what your ISPR fed media nerrative carefully culitivated in pakistanie collective thinking about that USSR /Russian and its SO CALLED GREAT GAME TO CAPTURE WARM WATER PORTS OF PAKISTAN

funny fact is Iranian ports were more near to USSR and way easy to capture bypassing Afghanistan and its trechrous terrain where they dont even have to develop railways & OIL pipeline by cutting through mountains and platues

Pakistan went into Afghanistan to create a so called STRATEGIC DEAPTH in cae of a future war with India with Afghanistan as 5th Provice of Pakistan and that nerrative is still there ... isnt it

even those in power gleefully and proudly called TALIBAN there creation and that they trained and funded it to have a hold on post soviet Afghanistan and possibally Indian sub continent

and it was a brain Child of Z A Bhutto which Zia speeded up with his very own ultra hyper islamic radicalising to get easy and cheap foot soldiers for so called JIHAD IN AFGHANISTAN

i remmeber way back in 2007 when i was last there there used to be donation boxes kept for Jihad in every market and even in front of cricket stadium one was even in front lobby of owr hotel which in urdu asked for Zakaat for Jihad in Afghanistan , Boosnia -Falasteen and Kashmeer

and what your getting today is the interests of the investements your nation as a whole made in so called RAH E NIJAD through Jihad against Yahood O Nasara & hanood
 
Guru Dutt said:
i remmeber way back in 2007 when i was last there there used to be donation boxes kept for Jihad in every market and even in front of cricket stadium one was even in front lobby of owr hotel which in urdu asked for Zakaat for Jihad in Afghanistan , Boosnia -Falasteen and Kashmeer
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koi photos ho, to if possible, please dikhaye.. edit out your shakal etc of course.

also interesting and true about Afghanistan, Charlie Wilson movie was really good too, funny xhit, you seen ?



@Lulldapull @steppeWolff
 
steppeWolff said:
Judiciary and Beurocracy are loyal pets of the Military establishment. Paramilitaries are staffed by Army officers in their higher echelons. Military establishment is like an octopus with its tentacles everywhere.

You are wrong. The awareness and hate that exists now is unprecedented in history. Even during the heights of War in North West Pakistan, people in the west were mostly loyal to the establishment.

Its literally rare af to find anyone now who harbours any sympathy with Faujis and they themselves are digging their grave deeper. And I am happy with it. Establishment or not, our country would remain safe.

Afghans can't enter here if we locals dont want them to. They are armed and we are armed too. Come to Pishin anytime.

And became a mythical figure. His popularity is off the charts my guy. Yall wouldn't know cause the news outlets are controlled.
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No your wrong sir

rather defnce or armed forces take there legitimacy from Jeudicarry while beurocracy makes relevent rules or frames them so the executive or armed forces/Police & para milatary forces can work on it all three are like a traingle they cannot work on there own and if they do they will perish soonar that later

but sure since British made army most relevent part or the most dominant part in this area to keep control o DURAND LINE and Afghanistan for defence of British India which they were so Paranoid about that there are more than a dozen garrissons between Rawal Pindi GHQ to Afghan Border or down south west towards peshawar to quetta to iranian border
www.quora.com

Why does Afghanistan not recognise the Durand Line?

Answer (1 of 2): The reason is the people don’t accept it because it divides members of the same ethnicity into two (30 million in Pakistan and 15 million in Afghanistan). In many cases your house might be in one country and farmland in the other. https://www.bu.edu/aias/reports/durand_conferen...
www.quora.com www.quora.com
even during British times all major civilian control was either in Lahore or Karachi while industries were in faislabad/layalpur , Karachi and sialkot and around Multan but once industrious and buissness oriented Hindus and sikhs left in 1947 all of these small scale industries vanished that used to make uniforms and allied products for British army or house old products like utensils and spices and soaps meatl works they all went into deacy and vanished once there original masters were ethnically cleansed from western Punjab and Sindh thats why no wealth creation was there

Punjabies as a whole were only interetsted in Fauj or police services and jageerdaari or politics while sindhies too were not diffrent while all beurocracy & Jeudiciary posts was captured by URDU speakers that had come from central Indian states like UP/MP/Bihar and hydrabad deccan

as for so called Pakhtoons they never accepeted DURAND LINE either those who were in Afghanistan or those in NWFP/Waziristan/KPK or Balouchistan while Kalat was a free nation even before british freed India and Pakistan and kalat had a emabassy in karachi and Khan kalat gave leagel fees to M A Jinnah of his wieght in Gold to fight his case against british in 1946 its on the internet go google it
en.wikipedia.org

Khanate of Kalat - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
fact is Pakistan was a joke that was played on muslim masses by whipping up communal hysteria by British and there stooges in Muslim Feudla and beurocratc elite so they could have a buffer state in Indian sub continet with a proxy control over it since they were too weak for direct controlling entire India specially after mutiny in naval forces

en.wikipedia.org

Royal Indian Navy mutiny - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

so the ultimate point is Pakistan was born deu to BRITISH DIVIDE & RULE POLICY and FEUDAL & TRIBAL MUSLIM MINDSET that has still not chnaged rest keep making escuses will not change anything and specially the condition and future prospects of pakistani awaam or the nerrative prevelent in pakistan and certainly not the ways of how pakistani ruling elite uses them for its own corruption
 
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Bagheera0084 said:
Amrish Puri would have been better choice for the role bcoz Zia looked like Amrish Puri.
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Om Puri was what they call a method actor, full study kar ke character ki skin m ghus jaatein hain. Nautanki and drama trained stage guys, can't make mistakes with a live audience.. next level skill, man.

Amrish was typecast as the villain/bad guy and mostly a one trick pony.

Both legends but comparison nahi hai, Surya Kumar Yadav vs Rahul Dravid or Sunny Gavaskar waali baat hui.
 
Our dear leader and PM, Modi Ji deserves an honourable mention here.

Next level comedy bhi karta hai, great skill.. deadpan delivery, he has been known to throw in a bit of slapstick too :LOL:

Becharey Modi Ji, zabardasti people giving him a bad wrap, ki fascist hai, tyrant hai, this that.. wtf man

truly a man of many talents

Trump also good at it, taking the piss on himself
 
Sharma Ji said:
Om Puri was what they call a method actor, full study kar ke character ki skin m ghus jaatein hain. Nautanki and drama trained stage guys, can't make mistakes with a live audience.. next level skill, man.

Amrish was typecast as the villain/bad guy and mostly a one trick pony.

Both legends but comparison nahi hai, Surya Kumar Yadav vs Rahul Dravid or Sunny Gavaskar waali baat hui.
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Disagree about Amrish Puri. He was quite intense in serious (not villanous roles). But yes, Bollywood typecasted him too much. A lost opportunity
 
Guru Dutt said:
that is what your ISPR fed media nerrative carefully culitivated in pakistanie collective thinking about that USSR /Russian and its SO CALLED GREAT GAME TO CAPTURE WARM WATER PORTS OF PAKISTAN

funny fact is Iranian ports were more near to USSR and way easy to capture bypassing Afghanistan and its trechrous terrain where they dont even have to develop railways & OIL pipeline by cutting through mountains and platues

Pakistan went into Afghanistan to create a so called STRATEGIC DEAPTH in cae of a future war with India with Afghanistan as 5th Provice of Pakistan and that nerrative is still there ... isnt it

even those in power gleefully and proudly called TALIBAN there creation and that they trained and funded it to have a hold on post soviet Afghanistan and possibally Indian sub continent

and it was a brain Child of Z A Bhutto which Zia speeded up with his very own ultra hyper islamic radicalising to get easy and cheap foot soldiers for so called JIHAD IN AFGHANISTAN

i remmeber way back in 2007 when i was last there there used to be donation boxes kept for Jihad in every market and even in front of cricket stadium one was even in front lobby of owr hotel which in urdu asked for Zakaat for Jihad in Afghanistan , Boosnia -Falasteen and Kashmeer

and what your getting today is the interests of the investements your nation as a whole made in so called RAH E NIJAD through Jihad against Yahood O Nasara & hanood
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I don't believe any of that 'startegic depth' of Lollywood propaganda or whaarm waaturr ports.

Ye sub was taught to our jharrnails by Brazinski sahb to tell our idiotic public. Sub jhoott!

Saara Afghani Jihad was organized by the CIA, funded by Sawdi Judeans and GCC Abu-Donkeys. Laakhon Jihadi came from all over the whulld to go fight the USSR, Just like in da Sy-Raaq today. Al-Turkiya pulling the same scam we were told to do back in the early 80's.

We had no say bhai except just harbor Pashto/ Jihadist global terrorists and infiltrate them into Afghanistan via our FATA.

After the USSR defeat, Zia sahb with his entire coterie of CIA comrades were all killed in the C-130 crash.......
 
Lulldapull said:
Bhai ye nazi saalay I'm just lost for words sometimes......lol......what can we say man.

After trump ka ulla came last time they got all uppitty.

Then trump ka ulla totally under performed. Kuchh nahi kara trump nay......Nothing!

Ab sub chup ker k betthh gaey hain.
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The great right winger tussle about foreign labour

ethnos want em all out

binnus folk want more and more, from farm labour (grapes, fruits etc) to kasai stuff in the abattoirs.

tech bros also want cheap human robots for basic shite
 
Paitoo said:
The distinction between arty and commercial cinema is long blurred. Puri could have given wonderful performances in many of the grimy OTT series that are hits today.
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for actors, who need to be versatile to stay relevant.

still something to be said of people with that old nautanki method skill acting chops but..

also true, TV ka zamana hai, har type ka content hai on Disney etc these days.
 
Sharma Ji said:
koi photos ho, to if possible, please dikhaye.. edit out your shakal etc of course.

also interesting and true about Afghanistan, Charlie Wilson movie was really good too, funny xhit, you seen ?



@Lulldapull @steppeWolff
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well Naturally CIA got involved but much much later and supplied STINGER MANPAD sams that made life hell for so called SHAITAAN ABRA/devils chariots/Mi-24 HIND gunships in afghanistan which till now were seemingly invincible but for the first time it was Americans that found out they when in attack mode came to 2500M flight alititude and 3.5 Km or 3500M capable STINGER SAM was HEAT SEAKING developed thats the main issue why India did not use Mi24/35s in 1999 kargil war

but Pakistanies were made to belive it was so called JAZBA E IMANI of AL Bhakistanies that destroyed USSR and saved the free world and now they all ought to feed them till eternity ;) :P
 
Sharma Ji said:
The great right winger tussle about foreign labour

ethnos want em all out

binnus folk want more and more, from farm labour (grapes, fruits etc) to kasai stuff in the abattoirs.

tech bros also want cheap human robots for basic shite
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Haan bilkul.......within a decade or so all transportation, construction and most menial jobs will almost all be fully automated on AI and the labor class even in the GCC will be largely sent home.

Military's will be also severely impacted with the rise of bots on AI.

Was watching an Irani drone program recently where you just input coordinates into the lead drone and the onboard AI disseminates all info to other drones via encryption. The onboard AI on each decides which target to prioritize and has a list of priorities bhai.

Iran ager ye sub kar rahae pichhlay 10 saal say, then matter of time other chummppu fiddling around with drones will also catch up eventually.

Nobody is flying those Irani khud kush drones being used in Ukraine or ME Sharma.......they are pretty much autonomous. Just put petrol and rigg it up to a launcher and enter target coordinates.

Pakistan 100 saal peechhay hae Iran say in key warfare tech.......
 
Guru Dutt said:
well Naturally CIA got involved but much much later and supplied STINGER MANPAD sams that made life hell for so called SHAITAAN ABRA/devils chariots/Mi-24 HIND gunships in afghanistan which till now were seemingly invincible but for the first time it was Americans that found out they when in attack mode came to 2500M flight alititude and 3.5 Km or 3500M capable STINGER SAM was HEAT SEAKING developed thats the main issue why India did not use Mi24/35s in 1999 kargil war

but Pakistanies were made to belive it was so called JAZBA E IMANI of AL Bhakistanies that destroyed USSR and saved the free world and now they all ought to feed them till eternity ;) :P
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Yup, latest war mein, US Army SF and CIA SF guys were inserted first exactly to buy back or destroy any old manpads they might have, Stinger or Russian Strelas or whatever
 
Sharma Ji said:
Yup, latest war mein, US Army SF and CIA SF guys were inserted first exactly to buy back or destroy any old manpads they might have, Stinger or Russian Strelas or whatever
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Attack chaappurrs and Tanks/ APC's have all become first tier victims of modern warfare. Totally obsolete bhai.

Tier two is big ship navy bhai.......on serious borrowed time.

Tier three havai jahaz too looking at their swan song within a decade or so.....

Welcome to the new whulld.
 
Lulldapull said:
I don't believe any of that 'startegic depth' of Lollywood propaganda or whaarm waaturr ports.

Ye sub was taught to our jharrnails by Brazinski sahb to tell our idiotic public. Sub jhoott!

Saara Afghani Jihad was organized by the CIA, funded by Sawdi Judeans and GCC Abu-Donkeys. Laakhon Jihadi came from all over the whulld to go fight the USSR, Just like in da Sy-Raaq today. Al-Turkiya pulling the same scam we were told to do back in the early 80's.

We had no say bhai except just harbor Pashto/ Jihadist global terrorists and infiltrate them into Afghanistan via our FATA.

After the USSR defeat, Zia sahb with his entire coterie of CIA comrades were all killed in the C-130 crash.......
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SIR JI with all deu respect

after Pakistan shamefull surneder at TASHKENT in USSR in 1965 ZA Bhutto craeted this double revenge nerrative which he with his counterparts in ISI & PA deviced as K2 Plan to start insurgencies in Kashmir & Khalistan .(Two Faultlines British had left in 1947 for future meddling for directly into Indian affairs)

but for that Z A bhutto needed Funding and for that first he deviced a plan to use newly OIL Rich ARABS who were sulking after 1967 loss to Israel by formation of OIC(1969) with heads of prominent Islamic nations like Libya, Egypt, Saudi Arabia , Iran , Jordan & Syria - even Indonasia and malasia but this inferiorted USA as it saw OIC as Third Block against its them two fron world order which was a direct challenger to its economic interests in Middle east and asia and the crude oil trade

having said that when after 1973 OIL crisis US tighnenned the noose on Arab nations US agreed to arab demans to choke all other sources of crude oil to the world specially central asian and irani crude oil

and for that they used Pakistan to create problems for Iran and afghanistan and arab nations like saudi arabia funded it all against iran and central asia crude

so in the nutshel pakistani army and politicians and ullema sold this dream of Ummah and jzaba e imani and the Paranoia of Russia will capture pakistan for its quest for warm water ports of Karachi and whole Pakistani nation went crazy and wasted almost half a century in fighting a non existant enemy and created one in afghanistan and russia just so its corrupt feudal , beurocratic -milatary & policiacal master could become filthy rich at expense of suffering of entire Pakistan and afghan nation .. so Think what you gained and what you lost in this Jihad rather than blaming just CIA -ZIA and Pak Fauj dont forget ZA Bhutto and role of your beurocracy in it ....... US just played role of clever monkey in fight of two cats over peice of cake ;) :P
 

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