South Asia 5% poor in India? Union govt claim debunked, '26.4% of population below poverty line'

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Source : https://www.counterview.net/2025/02/5-poor-in-india-union-govt-claim.html Short Summary: A recent paper, referring to the Household Consumption Expenditure Survey (HCES) 2022-23 of the Government of India (GoI), has debunked the official claim that poverty has substantially declined. Titled "Poverty in India: The Rangarajan Method and the 2022–23 Household Consumption Expenditure Survey", the paper—authored by scholars CA Sethu, LT Abhinav Surya, and CA Ruthu—states that "more than a quarter of India’s population falls below the poverty line."



A recent paper, referring to the Household Consumption Expenditure Survey (HCES) 2022-23 of the Government of India (GoI), has debunked the official claim that poverty has substantially declined. Titled "Poverty in India: The Rangarajan Method and the 2022–23 Household Consumption Expenditure Survey", the paper—authored by scholars CA Sethu, LT Abhinav Surya, and CA Ruthu—states that "more than a quarter of India’s population falls below the poverty line."

The paper highlights issues with the methodology adopted by the GoI, which estimates poverty at just 5% based on "positive trends such as a 2.5-fold surge in consumption in both rural and urban areas." However, relying on the methodology proposed by the Expert Group to Review the Methodology for the Measurement of Poverty, chaired by Dr. C. Rangarajan in 2014, the authors estimate that 26.4% of India's population is below the poverty line (BPL)—27.4% in rural areas and 23.7% in urban areas.

The paper points out that the 5% poverty estimate based on HCES 2022-23 data was declared by B.V.R. Subrahmanyam, CEO of the GoI think tank NITI Aayog. The method used to arrive at this low figure involved adjusting the poverty line for 2011-12 for inflation using the Consumer Price Index (CPI) and applying it to HCES 2022-23 data. Ironically, the same method was used by scholars C. Rangarajan and S. Mahendra to arrive at a tentative estimate of 10.8% BPL.

According to the paper, the 2014 Expert Group defined the poverty line based on a consumption basket that included food (ensuring adequate nourishment), essential non-food items (such as education, clothing, transport, and shelter), and other “behaviorally determined” non-food expenditures. The authors used this methodology not only with HCES 2022-23 data but also with other official GoI surveys, such as the Periodic Labour Force Survey 2022-23 (PLFS 2022-23) and nutrition intake norms prescribed by the Indian Council of Medical Research – National Institute of Nutrition in 2020 (ICMR-NIN 2020).
Using the Expert Group (2014) method, they generated a new poverty line. Summarizing their approach, they state:

  1. Nutritional Requirements: The average calorie, protein, and fat requirements are calculated based on ICMR norms, differentiated by age, gender, and activity levels in rural and urban populations.
  2. Food Basket: A food basket meeting these nutritional norms is determined by analyzing the consumption patterns of specific income groups. The average monthly per capita consumption expenditure (MPCE) on food in these groups is used to define the food component of the poverty line.
  3. Essential Non-Food Items: The median expenditure on essential non-food items (education, clothing, shelter, and transport) is determined and added to the poverty line basket as a normative requirement.
  4. Other Non-Food Expenditures: Additional non-food expenses observed among groups meeting nutritional requirements are incorporated. The sum of these three components determines the new poverty line, expressed in terms of MPCE. This calculation is conducted separately for rural and urban areas. State-specific poverty lines are then derived using a relative Fisher Index.
Based on their computation, the scholars propose two new poverty lines for 2022-23:
  • Rs 2,515 per capita per month for rural areas
  • Rs 3,639 per capita per month for urban areas
In contrast, the GoI estimates Rs 3,773 for rural areas and Rs 6,459 for urban areas.

Providing evidence against the claim that poverty has declined to 5%, senior scholar Payal Seth, interpreting the paper, states:

"The per capita energy consumption for the poorest quartile in rural India declined by 2.6% between 2011–12 and 2022–23, signaling that rising nominal incomes have not translated into better nutrition. This directly contradicts claims of substantial poverty reduction, as improving nutrition is a critical indicator of poverty alleviation."

The paper argues that adjusting a prior poverty line using CPI is flawed for two key reasons:
  1. Outdated Base Weights: The CPI is calculated using old base weights for items in the consumption basket. Since new expenditure data has not been incorporated for over a decade, these weights no longer reflect current consumption patterns.
  2. CPI is Not a Suitable Instrument to Measure Poverty: The consumption patterns and price experiences of people below the poverty line differ significantly from those above it, making CPI adjustments inadequate for poverty tracking.
The scholars emphasize that poverty should also be analyzed in the context of rural wages, agricultural household incomes, and the informal sector, which indicate no substantial growth in rural incomes. Data from the Situation Assessment Surveys of Agricultural Households (2012-13 and 2018-19) shows that average monthly incomes for agricultural households grew at only 2.44% per annum at constant prices, from Rs 8,843 to Rs 10,218.

Furthermore, an analysis of two wage rate datasets—the Wage Rates in Rural India and the Periodic Labour Force Survey—suggests that real wage rates stagnated between 2014-15 and 2022-23. Data from the NSSO’s Annual Survey of Unincorporated Sector Enterprises also indicates a struggling informal sector, with a declining number of enterprises and stagnant wages.
Additionally, the scholars note that wages at the lower end of the formal economy, such as daily earnings of factory floor workers, grew by only 0.6% per annum at constant prices between 2002-03 and 2021-22, based on various rounds of the Annual Survey of Industries.

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Poverty has different definitions. So far as hunger poverty is concerned, it has been eliminated totally. So far as elemination of post hunger poverty is concerned, significant work is done. 4 crore houses are built for poor. Almost, every house has electricity and gas. There are more mobiles connections than people. Certainly, 1/4 th of population in India is not poor.
 
Poverty has different definitions. So far as hunger poverty is concerned, it has been eliminated totally. So far as elemination of post hunger poverty is concerned, significant work is done. 4 crore houses are built for poor. Almost, every house has electricity and gas. There are more mobiles connections than people. Certainly, 1/4 th of population in India is not poor.

Hunger poverty eliminated totally in India?

That is news to me.

Global Hunger Index still (2024) scores India's status at number 105, even worse than Rwanda, Ethiopia and Angola.

Bangladesh is ranked at number 81.

These people must be liars then.

 
Hunger poverty eliminated totally in India?

That is news to me.

Global Hunger Index still (2024) scores India's status at number 105, even worse than Rwanda, Ethiopia and Angola.

Bangladesh is ranked at number 81.

These people must be liars then.

well about so called GLOBAL Hunger Index ... thing is India has been donating wheat and rice and medicine's to all those countrie's in pacific and oceana or africa which are showed above India in same very index ;) :P
 
well about so called GLOBAL Hunger Index ... thing is India has been donating wheat and rice and medicine's to all those countrie's in pacific and oceana or africa which are showed above India in same very index ;) :P

Well then - maybe not distribute all this khairati and keep some for your own. Your claims are your claims and GHI numbers are real numbers. No arguing with that.
 
Hunger poverty eliminated totally in India?

That is news to me.

Global Hunger Index still (2024) scores India's status at number 105, even worse than Rwanda, Ethiopia and Angola.

Bangladesh is ranked at number 81.

These people must be liars then.



That is what IMF says.
 
That is what IMF says.

The paper is authored by Surjit S Bhalla, International Monetary Fund Executive Director for India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Bhutan, Arvind Virmani, former chief economic adviser to the Government of India and New York-based economist Karan Bhasin. But it is a working paper, which means it has not been peer reviewed and the International Monetary Fund has emphasised that views expressed in the paper “do not necessarily represent the views of the IMF, its executive board, or IMF management”.

Economist and Political Analyst Ajit Ranade, who is also the Vice-Chancellor of Gokhale Institute of Politics and Economics, raised several questions on the viability of this finding. “If poverty is so low, and inequality is declining, why then is the government persisting with the free food scheme?... Why is there a flurry of welfare spending on free cooking gas cylinders, to cash transfer to farmer households and now free electricity in states like Punjab? Why has India’s hunger index worsened in 2021? It ranks 101 out of 116 countries. Can poverty decline to nearly zero and yet hunger and malnutrition increase? Why does an advertisement for a mere hundred government ‘secure’ jobs attract millions of overqualified applicants?,” Ranade wrote in The Times of India.

Please see further,


It is well-known that Surjit Valla at IMF as well as Chief Economist Gita Gopinath are all very cozy with Modi and his team - she and Surjit would accede to what Modi wants as far as positive opinions for political purposes in India. She (and IMF) would not dare to anger Modi.


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Here is Gopinath with Kristalina Georgieva who is MD of IMF and Modi, its clear to see who is in Modi's payroll
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The paper is authored by Surjit S Bhalla, International Monetary Fund Executive Director for India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Bhutan, Arvind Virmani, former chief economic adviser to the Government of India and New York-based economist Karan Bhasin. But it is a working paper, which means it has not been peer reviewed and the International Monetary Fund has emphasised that views expressed in the paper “do not necessarily represent the views of the IMF, its executive board, or IMF management”.

Economist and Political Analyst Ajit Ranade, who is also the Vice-Chancellor of Gokhale Institute of Politics and Economics, raised several questions on the viability of this finding. “If poverty is so low, and inequality is declining, why then is the government persisting with the free food scheme?... Why is there a flurry of welfare spending on free cooking gas cylinders, to cash transfer to farmer households and now free electricity in states like Punjab? Why has India’s hunger index worsened in 2021? It ranks 101 out of 116 countries. Can poverty decline to nearly zero and yet hunger and malnutrition increase? Why does an advertisement for a mere hundred government ‘secure’ jobs attract millions of overqualified applicants?,” Ranade wrote in The Times of India.

Please see further,


It is well-known that Surjit Valla at IMF as well as Chief Economist Gita Gopinath are all very cozy with Modi and his team - she and Surjit would accede to what Modi wants as far as positive opinions for political purposes in India. She (and IMF) would not dare to anger Modi.


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Here is Gopinath with Kristalina Georgieva who is MD of IMF and Modi, its clear to see who is in Modi's payroll
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Whether it is IMF or WB or Microsoft or Google, it is all run by Indians. To fir Indian hi hoge na @Bilal9 bhai. Koi Pakistani ya Bangladeshi thode hi hoga. If anything is bad about India, any source is acceptable. Any dam Sh**r NGO report is ok but.......
 
Well then - maybe not distribute all this khairati and keep some for your own. Your claims are your claims and GHI numbers are real numbers. No arguing with that.
you still dont get it ... rather dont want to aknowledge the fact that all these so called HUNGER or DEMOCRATIC or FREEDOM OF PRESS TYPE INDEX's are just PROPOGANDDA TOOLs of the MEDIA MANGEMENT devision of DEEP STATE ECOSYSTEM & we In INDIA HAVE STOPPED TAKING THEM SERIOUSLY ;) :P
 
you still dont get it ... rather dont want to aknowledge the fact that all these so called HUNGER or DEMOCRATIC or FREEDOM OF PRESS TYPE INDEX's are just PROPOGANDDA TOOLs of the MEDIA MANGEMENT devision of DEEP STATE ECOSYSTEM & we In INDIA HAVE STOPPED TAKING THEM SERIOUSLY ;) :P
Thik hai as you lot wish.

The entire world deep state ecosystem is gearing up to defame and destroy India the superpower. :cool:

Though what they'd gain from it remains unclear.

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its Rich coming from a Bangladeshi where more than 45% of population lives under poverty line lecturing India about poverty ... bhariya hai ;) :P

These our Bangladeshi, Chinese friends are auditors. They are here to point out problems in India. They don't have anything good to eat but they will give all advice to India and other genuine democracies like Israel, US etc. about everything. More hungry they are, more they will advice. Do you know, the electricity they were purchasing from Adani and which was disconnected by Yunus, they want it to be restored. They say that they will do all pending payment soon. Sari hekadi nikal gayi hai. Chavala bhi chahiye. Boycott India is finished.
 
These our Bangladeshi, Chinese friends are auditors. They are here to point out problems in India. They don't have anything good to eat but they will give all advice to India and other genuine democracies like Israel, US etc. about everything. More hungry they are, more they will advice. Do you know, the electricity they were purchasing from Adani and which was disconnected by Yunus, they want it to be restored. They say that they will do all pending payment soon. Sari hekadi nikal gayi hai. Chavala bhi chahiye. Boycott India is finished.
I don't remember the Chinese making any suggestions to Dalit country.
 
I heard that in India. Even 50% of cities do not have tap water. If Indians do not support Modi. Modi will send the Shiva army for global assassination. Is this real? @Bilal9
None of the cities I've been in have not had tap water at all, but sometimes there's a glitch.. and then a guy comes and fixes it.. regular stuff.

What about China, you guys have direct milk and honey on tap from Xi Jingping's bathroom to everyone's house ?
 
None of the cities I've been in have not had tap water at all, but sometimes there's a glitch.. and then a guy comes and fixes it.. regular stuff.

What about China, you guys have direct milk and honey on tap from Xi Jingping's bathroom to everyone's house ?
So, is this true?

Not only is India the world’s second most populated country, but it has a fast growing middle class that is raising the demands on clean, safe water. Then consider close to half of the country practises open defecation and you have a dichotomy of two very different populations desperately pulling at the same limited resource.

One group wanting to grow and flourish and the other wanting to survive.

A few numbers from the World Bank highlight the plight the country is facing:

163 Million Indians lack access to safe drinking water

210 Million Indians lack access to improved sanitation

21% of communicable diseases are linked to unsafe water

500 children under the age of five die from diarrhea each day in India
 
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So, is this true?

Not only is India the world’s second most populated country, but it has a fast growing middle class that is raising the demands on clean, safe water. Then consider close to half of the country practises open defecation and you have a dichotomy of two very different populations desperately pulling at the same limited resource.

One group wanting to grow and flourish and the other wanting to survive.

A few numbers from the World Bank highlight the plight the country is facing:

163 Million Indians lack access to safe drinking water

210 Million Indians lack access to improved sanitation

21% of communicable diseases are linked to unsafe water

500 children under the age of five die from diarrhea each day in India
No idea, man.. how the fvck you expect me to know ? :LOL:

I travel mostly between 2/3 cities here and spend the majority of my time in my nice little bubble, as most people do (globally even), I imagine.

You keep having fun playing with your statistics but lol
 
Bangladeshi where more than 45% of population lives under poverty line

Look at official data, in India 25% lives below poverty line, In Bangladesh, around 18%. It's okay, different style of bhikharees.

 
Look at official data, in India 25% lives below poverty line, In Bangladesh, around 18%. It's okay, different style of bhikharees.


That is ok. Now stop importing rice from India.

 
These our Bangladeshi, Chinese friends are auditors. They are here to point out problems in India. They don't have anything good to eat but they will give all advice to India and other genuine democracies like Israel, US etc. about everything. More hungry they are, more they will advice. Do you know, the electricity they were purchasing from Adani and which was disconnected by Yunus, they want it to be restored. They say that they will do all pending payment soon. Sari hekadi nikal gayi hai. Chavala bhi chahiye. Boycott India is finished.

Bangladesh has capacity to produce 150% of the electricity it needs at the moment. In fact the govt. has decided to shut down small unprofitable electricity generation plants - there are too many of them. Besides there are dozens of new high efficiency plants in the pipeline, some of them nuclear.

The deal with Adani was made to siphon money to India illegally and was made by corrupt Hasina, there is no need to carry on with the deal and Bangladesh reserves the right to unilaterally cancel the deal and disconnect the electricity being supplied by Adani, which is continuing. Your information may not be correct.

Bangladesh really does not need anything from India, it can import foodstuffs from any country in the world.

It is India that is begging Bangladesh to buy its potatoes, onions and Chawal which it cannot sell in the global market because of glut and low quality.

In fact Indian farmers are demonstrating on the streets now because they cannot sell their produce - the glut has dropped produce prices to horrendously low levels in India. There are such news coming out every week now. @Saif bhai published something like this even last week.
 
Bangladesh has capacity to produce 150% of the electricity it needs at the moment. In fact the govt. has decided to shut down small unprofitable electricity generation plants - there are too many of them. Besides there are dozens of new high efficiency plants in the pipeline, some of them nuclear.

The deal with Adani was made to siphon money to India illegally and was made by corrupt Hasina, there is no need to carry on with the deal and Bangladesh reserves the right to unilaterally cancel the deal and disconnect the electricity being supplied by Adani, which is continuing. Your information may not be correct.

Bangladesh really does not need anything from India, it can import foodstuffs from any country in the world.

It is India that is begging Bangladesh to buy its potatoes, onions and Chawal which it cannot sell in the global market because of glut and low quality.

In fact Indian farmers are demonstrating on the streets now because they cannot sell their produce - the glut has dropped produce prices to horrendously low levels in India. There are such news coming out every week now. @Saif bhai published something like this even last week.

Then why BD is buying Electricity from India. They have requested Adani to restore electricity supply. Why so?
 
Stop begging us to buy your low quality rice.

Godi propaganda does not pass fact checks.

We are not begging. It is BD who is begging rice from India. Your government begged 50000 tons of rice from India. India offered 25000 tons. You do not have even rice to eat and bragging as if you are food supplier of the world.
 
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We are not begging. It is BD who is begging rice from India. Your government begged rice from 50000 tons of rice from India. India offered 25000 tons. You do not have even rice to eat and bragging as if you are food supplier of the world.

Do you understand the meaning of the English word "purchase"?

It means we paid money when we "decided" to accept Indian offer for rice.

If we need to buy with MONEY, it does not make us beggars. Clearly you have problems with comprehension.

Rice is purchased via govt. tenders, your businesspeople in India put in lowest offers, which were accepted (I'd say generously) by Bangladesh Govt. even after all the sordid History with Hasina whom Modi supported with her criminal oppression. There were entire RAW staff offices within Bangladesh who carried out oppression activities for Hasina .

Modi also tried to put in export bans on some goods (Potatoes, Onions) to Bangladesh after Hasina's ouster, which obviously did not work. We turned around and imported from Pakistan, from Turkey and Egypt. India is treading on thin ice, keep doing this laughable "punishment" BS and there will be total ban on Indian imports.

We have the option to buy from anywhere - but our govt. accepted Indian offer to buy rice, because the shipping is via land (truck) and lead time is low. Bangladeshis are being practical in this case, not just being boycott-hounds.

People in Bangladesh still have not abandoned the idea of Indian goods boycott on other goods.

An Indian goods boycott will harm Indian economy way more than it will the Bangladesh economy. Buying something does not make a buyer "weak".

It seems English words have new meaning in India.

Be Thankful is all I am saying. Modi et al should stop the impractical chest puffery and Dadagiri.
 
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Your information is not correct, you are reading propaganda. Adani deal is finished more or less. We are segway-ing far from the subject of the thread.

Let's not discuss off-topic subjects.


Ohh Is it? Saying anything without knowledge/ Information is very easy.






 
Ohh Is it? Saying anything without knowledge/ Information is very easy.







As I said - news designed to placate Hindutvas. AKA Propaganda.

I know PDB insiders, Adani deal will be cancelled within the year.

Let's stop discussing these off topic things. Please open a separate thread about Adani stuff.

This will be my last post on this subject.
 
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As I said - news designed to placate Hindutvas. AKA Propaganda.

I know PDB insiders, Adani deal will be cancelled within the year.

Let's stop discussing these off topic things. Please open a separate thread about Adani stuff.
Even Bangladeshi news paper is also Indian propaganda. Anything which doesn't suit the Narrative of our Bangladeshi friends is propaganda.
 
Look at official data, in India 25% lives below poverty line, In Bangladesh, around 18%. It's okay, different style of bhikharees.

so your saying almost 36.7 crore people in India live under poverty like which as per western standards means less than 1.25 USD dollars a day thats 462.5 millon USD thats forty billion two hundred nine million seven hundred fifty thousand Indian rupees which is still more than what you guys earn from export to india in a month ;) :P

forget that almost INR 109 per person is good enough in India to survive where almost everything is subsidized for farmers and land less labour's that is the main reason why there are more than 10 crore illeagel kangaldeshi and rohingya bhikarees living in india and why you are agitating so much when India made a border fence to Stop Kangladeshi Paul vaulter's & criminals coming and polluting india ... if your so rich -pure and pios why not take all that fith back ?????
 
Do you understand the meaning of the English word "purchase"?

It means we paid money when we "decided" to accept Indian offer for rice.

If we need to buy with MONEY, it does not make us beggars. Clearly you have problems with comprehension.

Rice is purchased via govt. tenders, your businesspeople in India put in lowest offers, which were accepted (I'd say generously) by Bangladesh Govt. even after all the sordid History with Hasina whom Modi supported with her criminal oppression. There were entire RAW staff offices within Bangladesh who carried out oppression activities for Hasina .

Modi also tried to put in export bans on some goods (Potatoes, Onions) to Bangladesh after Hasina's ouster, which obviously did not work. We turned around and imported from Pakistan, from Turkey and Egypt. India is treading on thin ice, keep doing this laughable "punishment" BS and there will be total ban on Indian imports.

We have the option to buy from anywhere - but our govt. accepted Indian offer to buy rice, because the shipping is via land (truck) and lead time is low. Bangladeshis are being practical in this case, not just being boycott-hounds.

People in Bangladesh still have not abandoned the idea of Indian goods boycott on other goods.

An Indian goods boycott will harm Indian economy way more than it will the Bangladesh economy. Buying something does not make a buyer "weak".

It seems English words have new meaning in India.

Be Thankful is all I am saying. Modi et al should stop the impractical chest puffery and Dadagiri.

You don't have the money. You have not paid about 1 bn USD to Adani. You buy on line of credit provided by India.
 
You don't have the money. You have not paid about 1 bn USD to Adani. You buy on line of credit provided by India.
well all that what hapenned in Bangladesh was orchestrated by US DEEP State which wanted a strategic hold to control both India and China and Yuns was established there since S. hasina rejected that US plan as it was way too risky for a nation like Bangladesh but since these guy's are way too emotional and agressive for there own good they jumped the gun and id what DEEP STATE wanted but bad luck despite all games Trump came back to pwer and now same US abondenned Yunus and new Bnagladeshi goverment and future plans related to it and niether Chia nor India is interested in helping yunus led goverment as he was bought in to destabilize both India and China current setup .... and not paying the electricity bills was just one of such plan's which like all other's backfired on Bangladeshei's ;) :P
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na to kaarwaan hi milla na wasaal e saman na idhar ke rahe na udhar ke hum ;) :P
 
well all that what hapenned in Bangladesh was orchestrated by US DEEP State which wanted a strategic hold to control both India and China and Yuns was established there since S. hasina rejected that US plan as it was way too risky for a nation like Bangladesh but since these guy's are way too emotional and agressive for there own good they jumped the gun and id what DEEP STATE wanted but bad luck despite all games Trump came back to pwer and now same US abondenned Yunus and new Bnagladeshi goverment and future plans related to it and niether Chia nor India is interested in helping yunus led goverment as he was bought in to destabilize both India and China current setup .... and not paying the electricity bills was just one of such plan's which like all other's backfired on Bangladeshei's ;) :P
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na to kaarwaan hi milla na wasaal e saman na idhar ke rahe na udhar ke hum ;) :P

Get off of Bangladesh subject for a second and think about the subject of the thread.

This is why people say that protein deficiency is a serious concern in India, it makes for demented and mentally/physically weak people who are easily manipulated.

Is this a newsflash - that there are poor people in India, way more than thought of prior? And Modi's policies are making the situation worse and worse?

You woke up today and find this surprising? You don't see slums around you in your cities?

You think people other than Indians don't know this? Hiding heads in the sand (like Modi prescribes) are gonna make all Indian problems disappear?

Whenever I feel too smug about my future, I watch the videos below and think how devastating my back ground could have been if I was born in India to these circumstances. Something to be thankful for.

Lanaat on people who try to not only hide this, but refuse to do anything about it. Selfish animals.



 
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Get off of Bangladesh subject for a second and think about the subject of the thread.

This is why people say that protein deficiency is a serious concern in India, it makes for demented and mentally/physically weak people who are easily manipulated.

Is this a newsflash - that there are poor people in India, way more than thought of prior? And Modi's policies are making the situation worse and worse?

You woke up today and find this surprising? You don't see slums around you in your cities?

You think people other than Indians don't know this? Hiding heads in the sand (like Modi prescribes) are gonna make all Indian problems disappear?

Whenever I feel too smug about my future, I watch the videos below and think how devastating my back ground could have been if I was born in India to these circumstances. Something to be thankful for.

Lanaat on people who try to not only hide this, but refuse to do anything about it. Selfish animals.




looks like i touched a RAW NERVE ....TRUTH IS VERY BITTER AND LOOKS LIKE YOU DONT LIKE IT ...AND I HARDLY CARE ;) :P

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