South Asia A Sustainable Socio Economic, Enviromental Model for Rural Subcontinent Area - Case Studies, Ideas, Models and initiatives.

[Vsdoc]

It is because religion translates into Dharma though it is not a correct translation. Dharma, is only one. Rest are panths which are for some particular groups. For example Islam is for Muslims only. It is not for humanity as a whole. There are many words in Indian systems which exactly does not translate into English. I used the nearest word which I knew.

You realise that as a sanatani you have pretty much the same concepts as described by me.

 

[Vsdoc]

Recently on my way to Bombay to catch an early morning international flight, one of my kids asked me, dada do you have any article on how the world will end according to Zoroastrianism?

Me being me gor excited that one of my kids was evolving to this point so early. And I started reading on the phone. And sending excerpts (on WhatsApp).

The pne below caught my eye, in relation to the discussion the two of us are having. Go through it and see if you see the linkage, broader, history of mankind, civilizational, great religions, epochal.

Hint: 3000 years. Three messiahs. At 1000 year intervals.

Hint 2: The third, Saoshyant (who a large chunk of Islam call Mahdi) is yet to come.

Hint 3: (and this I learned recently, from the same child of mine, as told to her by her mama) - A child was recently born to a very poor family in Gujarat. On the night of his birth huge men in white robes came to the door if the house. And told the parents that they were here for the boy. And they would care for him and train him. And take him back with them.

To Iran.

Conclusion: We believe these men were the ancient giant Magii from the core of Mount Damavand.

And the infant boy is (might ve) the Saoshyant.

The world is headed to a climax. And some of us might not be there for it.

@Lulldapull might interest you as well. Share it on your other Zoroastrian / Persian groups.

Zoroastrian Myth of the End
By: Massoume Price


Within Zoroastrianism there are two paths to the end, the end of the individual and the end of the world. The two are related in terms of judgement, individual (soul only) and universal (body and soul after resurrection). The individual is judged based on his or her actions and ends in hell or heaven accordingly. However there is a universal judgement that will decide the fate of the world at the end.

The Zoroastrians believe that the history of the world lasts for 12000 years, with four distinct periods. In the first period good and evil are separated, in the second the good world is invaded by the evil and the third is when the fight between the two forces intensify. In the final period evil is defeated and goodness prevails. The final period is thought to have started with the birth of Zoroaster and still continues. In this last 3000 years Zoroastrians expect three saviours to come at 1000-year intervals. The first one is called Aushedar, ‘the developer of righteousness’. He is to be born from a virgin and is also an offspring of Zoroaster himself whose seed has been preserved in a lake and when the 15 year old virgin baths in the lake she is impregnated and the first saviour is born.

When he reaches the age of 30, the sun stands still for 10 days at the noon-day position. This is where the sun stood before Ahriman (Evil) attacked the perfect world. Through the coming of the saviour some good will prevail and for three years people will live more harmoniously and conditions will improve and the renovation of the universe starts. Some bad and harmful creatures belonging to the forces of evil will perish (like wolves).

The second saviour is called Aushedar-mah and is born the same way. The sun will stand still for 20 days this time and renovation will last for six years and more harmful creatures will perish. The original paradise like and perfect state of the world as it was at the beginning will draw closer. Men stop eating meat, become vegetarian and will only drink water. However this is not the end of the Evil, he will reappear in form of Azhi Dahaka (Zahak in Shahnameh) a monster who was earlier defeated and imprisoned on top of Mount Demavand by the hero Thraetaona (Thahmoureth). The monster will escape, invade the world and will smite the sacred elements, fire, water and vegetation. Another hero Keresapa (Jamshid) will rid the world from this one and power of evil will be further reduced. However Azhi manages to escape.

At the third and final stage, the last saviour Soshyant is conceived the same way and eventually will defeat all the forces of evil. The perfect state of the world arrives with death, disease and all forces of evil and disorder to be defeated forever. Soshyant raises the dead from the spot where life had departed from them. All people will be lead to the place of judgment where they will see their good and bad deeds. The wicket will go back to the hell and the good to heaven for three days and three nights. The last judgement of the individual was only concerned with the soul, while the universal judgement is concerned with both body and soul and involves resurrection of the body. Humans as whole beings are put through several tests like passing through molten metal.

The hot metal has already flowed over the earth and purified the earth and has returned it to a perfect and unified state. The stream of molten metal will sweep over all men and makes them pure and uniform too. The gift of immortality will be conferred when Soshyant, acting as a priest, celebrates the final sacrifice with the last animal (the ox) to die in the service of man. >From the fat of the ox and the mythical White Hom (Haoma a sacred mix used in ceremonies) from the cosmic ocean the elixir of immortality will be prepared. Ahriman and Azhi, will run into Hell to escape and the molten metal will destroy Hell and Azhi. Ahriman becomes impotent and annihilated. With the earth leveled and humans restored to their ideal unity of body and soul the whole creation will be once more the perfect combination of spirit and matter that God intended it to be.

Zoroastrians do not call this the end of the world but name it renovation. Because it is from this time that all good, all knowing and Ahura Mazda, the Lord of Wisdom will succeed. The practicing Zoroastrians today have divided the last period into four lesser periods, each being symbolized by a metal. Gold for the period when the religion was revealed to Zoroaster, silver for the period when king Gashtasb was converted, steel for the Sassanian period and iron for the present age when the religion is declining and Soshyant as yet has to come.

@I.R.A

 

[Vsdoc]

I have two questions in my mind. I have not mentioned Zoroastrianism at all. Second, So far as I know, Zoroastrianism has little similarities with Abrahamic religion. Their way of worship is different like praying holy fire etc. Taht is why I say that I find a little context in what you say in response to my post. Yes, I accept that I do not have much knowledge of this cults, but I believe that the ultimate test of any Ideology is the impact on society and people at individual level. If that makes you Jahil, brutal and troublemaker without any respect for human rights, there is something seriously wrong with you ideology and there is no need to go into details of those ideology as it is very difficult to dig deep and make fair evaluation.

We do not pray to the Atash. Nor do we worship fire.

As I said, these are discussions I have very rarely with very few people.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

You realise that as a sanatani you have pretty much the same concepts as described by me.

Farnkly speaking, I did not fully understand what you say.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

We do not pray to the Atash. Nor do we worship fire.

As I said, these are discussions I have very rarely with very few people.

Ofcourse we worship fire though not in the same way as Zoroastrians do. Infact, the first verse of Rigveda starts with Mantra of Agni.

अग्निमीळे पुरोहितं यज्ञस्य देवमृत्विजम् । होतारं रत्नधातमम् ॥

Agnimile purohitam – Rig Veda 1.1.1 – in sanskrit with ​

 

[Vsdoc]

Farnkly speaking, I did not fully understand what you say.

That's ok.

Let's move on to other discussions.

 

[Vsdoc]

Ofcourse we worship fire though not in the same way as Zoroastrians do. Infact, the first verse of Rigveda starts with Mantra of Agni.

अग्निमीळे पुरोहितं यज्ञस्य देवमृत्विजम् । होतारं रत्नधातमम् ॥

Agnimile purohitam – Rig Veda 1.1.1 – in sanskrit with ​

Agni is not a Daeva. He was invited by the Daevas to join them. But he refused.

He is what your side calls an Asura. Ours an Ahura.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Agni is not a Daeva. He was invited by the Daevas to join them. But he refused.

He is what your side calls an Asura. Ours an Ahura.

let us not discuss this further. Thread is getting derailed.