[🇵🇰-✈JF-17] Azerbaijan Air Force Becomes Fourth Operator of JF-17 Fighter Aircraft

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[🇵🇰-✈JF-17] Azerbaijan Air Force Becomes Fourth Operator of JF-17 Fighter Aircraft
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Source : https://www.PKDefense.com Short Summary: I found the info on YouTube about the deal between Pakistan and Azerbaijan.
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TheNewb77 said:
Maybe @LegionnairE may have some more info.
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This has been going on for years. Here's an article from 2018:
www.defenceturk.net

Azerbaycan ve Pakistan'ın JF-17 görüşmeleri son aşamada

Azerbaycan'ın bir süredir ilgilendiği Pakistan ve Çin tarafından ortaklaşa geliştirilen JF-17 Thunder savaş uçağı ile ilgili müzakerlerde sona gelindi.
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Here it says Pakistan already bought ASELPOD for their own JF-17s, many other Turkish avionics and weapons could be integrated into Azerbaijani planes.
 
Given the deteriorating relationship between Russia and Armenia and Armenia's increasing closeness to NATO, China is unlikely to approve this JF-17C Block-III export to Azerbaijan. So do the Western backers of the upcoming Pakistani government, as the Western backers are also supportive of the Armenians.
 
Old School said:
Given the deteriorating relationship between Russia and Armenia and Armenia's increasing closeness to NATO, China is unlikely to approve this JF-17C Block-III export to Azerbaijan. So do the Western backers of the upcoming Pakistani government, as the Western backers are also supportive of the Armenians.
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Interesting. Doesn't make much difference. It seems Hürjet is just around the corner and it's not that far off from JF-17. We could give Azerbaijan that. But I'll wait and see if Pakistan confirms or denies the sale anyway.

1.6 Billion $ is a good amount of money for Pakistan and should amount to a nice number of planes for Azerbaijan.
 
Last time I checked the price of a JF-17 was around 30~40 million per unit , Block III would be ~50~60 million so , if the deal is true 1 squadron plus weaponry and training would be good for the amount .
But still let's wait for official confirmation from either party
 
A JF-17 or an F-16 life expectancy over let’s say the Donbas or Lughansk or Donets can be counted in minutes or maybe hours at best. Same same for Su-35 or F-35. I don’t see neither the western NATO nor the Russians using any military aircraft at all since the last year straight. All warplanes are grounded because it’s pretty clearly understood what happens if they fly…😝…..I believe that warfare has radically changed over the last few years and almost all legacy weaponry is on serious borrowed time.
 
Lulldapull said:
A JF-17 or an F-16 life expectancy over let’s say the Donbas or Lughansk or Donets can be counted in minutes or maybe hours at best. Same same for Su-35 or F-35. I don’t see neither the western NATO nor the Russians using any military aircraft at all since the last year straight. All warplanes are grounded because it’s pretty clearly understood what happens if they fly…😝…..I believe that warfare has radically changed over the last few years and almost all legacy weaponry is on serious borrowed time.
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failure of the Russian Air Force really warped your minds
 
C4llM3Pi said:
Last time I checked the price of a JF-17 was around 30~40 million per unit , Block III would be ~50~60 million so , if the deal is true 1 squadron plus weaponry and training would be good for the amount .
But still let's wait for official confirmation from either party
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I would expect 24-30 planes along with some spare parts to be procured

Lulldapull said:
I don't see western planes in the air either. They'd be shot down in minutes. That's why we don't see them in Ukraine at all.
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Because they haven't been delivered and Ukrainian pilots haven't been trained to a sufficient point?
 
LegionnairE said:
I would expect 24-30 planes along with some spare parts to be procured


Because they haven't been delivered and Ukrainian pilots haven't been trained to a sufficient point?
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Ukraine's entire AF was destroyed early in the war within weeks of it starting. RuAF lost about 50 'advanced' jets also withing the first few months. After that almost no AF activity on either side. Attack helo's did even worse and basically withdrawn from front line duties. We see the same for naval warships and much much worse for armor/ APC's. I honestly believe that looking at this Ukraine war, most countries must be thinking that all they got is cannon fodder in equipment. Only think that works today are ATGM's, drones and laser guided artillery. Almost everything else (legacy weapons) have largely been rendered obsolete. If you paid me a million bucks right now and ask me to fly an F-16 over Donbas, or go sit in a Leopard tank, I would refuse to do it. There's almost a 100% chance of me not coming back alive.
 
There is no official word yet from the Azeri/Pakistani responsible people. This news is still spreading like an inferno in social media, and online portals are picking it up. We only know that UK-based 'Desi' people run X channel "Air Operations Syndicate" first reported this news two days ago.
 
Lulldapull said:
Ukraine's entire AF was destroyed early in the war within weeks of it starting. RuAF lost about 50 'advanced' jets also withing the first few months. After that almost no AF activity on either side. Attack helo's did even worse and basically withdrawn from front line duties. We see the same for naval warships and much much worse for armor/ APC's. I honestly believe that looking at this Ukraine war, most countries must be thinking that all they got is cannon fodder in equipment. Only think that works today are ATGM's, drones and laser guided artillery. Almost everything else (legacy weapons) have largely been rendered obsolete. If you paid me a million bucks right now and ask me to fly an F-16 over Donbas, or go sit in a Leopard tank, I would refuse to do it. There's almost a 100% chance of me not coming back alive.
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Ukraine's AF wasn't destroyed, their Su-34s are still doing critical missions with storm shadows, TB2s are still collecting data. I don't know what Mig-29s and Su-27s are doing but there's still some left as far as I know.

S300 and S400s turned out to be very effective despite their older generation radars that much is true. But an F-35 squadron armed with AGM-88s and specially trained for SEAD missions is going to have trouble taking them out. I'm sure of it.

"But what's the role of 4th generation planes will be?" I hear you ask. They will be launching large missiles that don't fit inside bomb bays of 5th gens. They will be dropping JDAMs and laser guided munitions after SEAD squadrons clean up the air defenses.

A missile like Meteor may not fit inside the F35, but it can be carried by even a relatively cheap plane like JF-17.

So that's how a TFX Kaan JF-17 combo could possibly work for Azerbaijan.
 
LegionnairE said:
Ukraine's AF wasn't destroyed, their Su-34s are still doing critical missions with storm shadows, TB2s are still collecting data. I don't know what Mig-29s and Su-27s are doing but there's still some left as far as I know.

S300 and S400s turned out to be very effective despite their older generation radars that much is true. But an F-35 squadron armed with AGM-88s and specially trained for SEAD missions is going to have trouble taking them out. I'm sure of it.

"But what's the role of 4th generation planes will be?" I hear you ask. They will be launching large missiles that don't fit inside bomb bays of 5th gens. They will be dropping JDAMs and laser guided munitions after SEAD squadrons clean up the air defenses.

A missile like Meteor may not fit inside the F35, but it can be carried by even a relatively cheap plane like JF-17.

So that's how a TFX Kaan JF-17 combo could possibly work for Azerbaijan.
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It’s the era of proxy wars now. Look at the SyRaaq region. Thousands of storm shadow attacks later and the PMU’s are very active. They’ve moved everything or anything critical underground and all these US and IDF strikes make no diff. Supply lines to Hezb are wide open. Occasionally they kill a few IRGC officers or some PMU operatives or the Syrian army officers, but they are quickly avenged and replaced. It’s a lot harder to strike Russian territory on the other hand. Russia’s turned Ukraine into a pile of rubble. And the US and Israel have turned Syria into one. Iran/ Russia/ China are playing the long game…..sooner or later the west will leave. All their trillion dollar weapons have failed to change the strategic balance. In the case of Armenia too I don’t believe Russia nor Iran would allow an Azeri victory, and I don’t believe Azeri’s will push their luck either. JF thunder might work over Armenia, but it’s not really needed in the era of drones and ballistic/ cruise missiles now. I believe a decade or two down the road, manned military platforms will seriously dwindle.
 
Lulldapull said:
I don’t believe Russia nor Iran would allow an Azeri victory, and I don’t believe Azeri’s will push their luck either. JF thunder might work over Armenia, but it’s not really needed in the era of drones and ballistic/ cruise missiles now. I believe a decade or two down the road, manned military platforms will seriously dwindle.
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1) JF-17, as long as it can launch SOM and Gökdoğan, it's a big problem for Armenia, Iran or Russia doesn't matter.

2) show me a fighter jet ever shot down by a drone. You can't.
 
LegionnairE said:
1) JF-17, as long as it can launch SOM and Gökdoğan, it's a big problem for Armenia, Iran or Russia doesn't matter.

2) show me a fighter jet ever shot down by a drone. You can't.
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Check that USAF AI controlled F-16v shooting down dozens of aircraft in simulations and doing it repeatedly too. Anything a human can do, the AI can do better, and the scary bit is that it learns from its mistakes and input. It’s very scary.
 
Lulldapull said:
Check that USAF AI controlled F-16v shooting down dozens of aircraft in simulations and doing it repeatedly too. Anything a human can do, the AI can do better, and the scary bit is that it learns from its mistakes and input. It’s very scary.
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yes I'm aware of that. Aren't they giving the AI %100 situational awareness in those simulations?
 
LegionnairE said:
yes I'm aware of that. Aren't they giving the AI %100 situational awareness in those simulations?
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Wouldn't situational awareness be critical inputs/ updated every few minutes/ seconds via the various onboard sensors? Your on board Airborne intercept radar data, your MAWS, your IFF, your FLIR, your RWR and the evolving GCI/ surveillance data/ GC radar plots? Any ground or air based ECM sensors or even noise/ signal jammers. All this must've been part of the simulation. They made it as real a scenario as possible. I'll try finding that article. What the designers proved is that you just don't need no driver no more. The AI CPU is performing wonders! It's very scary, where we're going. Down da road, wes not goin need nobody doin jack diddly. This is why there are conferences in most developed world capitals wondering what to do? where to go from here on out no? You understand what this means for poor countries no?
 
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Azerbaijan Air Force Becomes Fourth Operator of JF-17 Fighter Aircraft, President Aliyev Confirms​


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September 25, 2024

Azerbaijan Air Force Becomes Fourth Operator of JF-17 Fighter Aircraft, President Aliyev Confirms

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Azerbaijan Air Force is now officially the fourth operator of JF-17 multi-role fighter aircraft. The president’s office confirmed in a statement.

“President of the Republic of Azerbaijan, Supreme Commander-in-Chief Ilham Aliyev was presented JF-17C (Block-III) multirole fighter jets on September 25, at Heydar Aliyev International Airport. These advanced, lightweight, all-weather aircraft, designed for both day and night operations, were developed as a joint venture between Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra, and Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation of China.

The jets have already been integrated into the arsenal of Azerbaijan’s Air Force.

Defense Minister of the Republic of Azerbaijan, Colonel General Zakir Hasanov reported to Supreme Commander-in-Chief Ilham Aliyev. Azerbaijan’s Defense Minister and Chairman of the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Board, Air Vice Marshal Hakim Raza provided details about the aircraft’s tactical and technical specifications, operational guidelines, and key performance indicators.

The JF-17C (Block-III) is a single-engine multirole combat aircraft known for its air-to-air and air-to-ground capabilities, as well as its high maneuverability at medium and low altitudes, making it notable for its effective firepower”
 
Azerbaijan has officially become the fourth operator of the JF-17 Thunder fighter jet, as Pakistan has delivered the first batch of advanced JF-17 Block III aircraft to the country. This significant development marks a milestone for both the JF-17 program and the growing defense cooperation between Pakistan and Azerbaijan.

Key Details​

  • Delivery of JF-17 Block III: Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) has delivered an undisclosed number of JF-17 Block III fighters to the Azerbaijan Air Force. The Block III variant features several enhancements over previous versions, including an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, improved avionics, and better weapons capabilities.
  • Strengthening Defense Ties: The acquisition of JF-17s by Azerbaijan underscores the deepening defense relationship between Pakistan and Azerbaijan. The two countries have been in negotiations for JF-17 purchases for several years, and this delivery represents a significant step forward in their military cooperation.
  • Strategic Implications: Azerbaijan's decision to acquire the JF-17 could have broader strategic implications in the region. As a long-standing rival of Armenia, Azerbaijan's air force modernization efforts are likely aimed at maintaining a military edge in the region. The JF-17 purchase also diversifies Azerbaijan's defense procurement sources beyond traditional suppliers like Russia.
  • Boost for the JF-17 Program: The sale to Azerbaijan is a significant achievement for the JF-17 program, which has struggled to secure major export orders in the past. This delivery represents the largest export deal for the aircraft to date and could pave the way for further sales to other countries in the region and beyond.

Implications for Regional Security​

The delivery of JF-17 Block III fighters to Azerbaijan has the potential to alter the regional security dynamics in the South Caucasus. As tensions between Azerbaijan and Armenia remain high, the introduction of these advanced aircraft could lead to a shift in the military balance between the two countries.

Moreover, the JF-17's capabilities, particularly its AESA radar and weapons systems, could pose a challenge to Armenia's aging fleet of Russian-made MiG-29 and Su-30 fighters. This could prompt Armenia to accelerate its own air force modernization efforts or seek additional support from Russia.

Conclusion​

The delivery of JF-17 Block III fighters to Azerbaijan represents a significant milestone in the aircraft's export history and a testament to the growing defense ties between Pakistan and Azerbaijan. As the region continues to grapple with security challenges, the introduction of these advanced jets could have far-reaching implications for the military balance and regional stability in the South Caucasus.
 
Ghazi52 said:
No information is available as yet..
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is the block 3 even offered with the RD-33?

I don't think Azerbaijan will want the chinese engine. They already operate the RD-33 with their Mig-29s . They would want parts commonality.

I don't know how feasible this is with the war in Ukraine. You guys changed the title too early.
 

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