[🇧🇩] Is India trying to destabilize the current interim government of Bangladesh to bring back Hasina?

[Vsdoc]

We would have taken care of ULFA etc anyway, a hostile BD wouldn't have made a difference.

Full ghar me ghus k istyle..

@Vsdoc

There would not be a Bangladesh today if it wasn't for India.

Let us always start with the fundamentals.

You will notice I rarely comment on Bangladeshi threads.

Unlike Sri Lanka, who pulled away from the brink (different national psyche), we are looking at potentially a second basket case now on our other flank.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Sharma Ji]

There would not be a Bangladesh today if it wasn't for India.

Let us always start with the fundamentals.

You will notice I rarely comment on Bangladeshi threads.

Unlike Sri Lanka, who pulled away from the brink (different national psyche), we are looking at potentially a second basket case now on our other flank.

Cheers, Doc

also, Myanmar (our otherwise dharmi fascist natural allies) me bhi operation kara tha..

8 Para SF, was it ?

wiki says 21 Para.

 

[Sharma Ji]

8 Para too, apparently

 

[Saif]

We would have taken care of ULFA etc anyway, a hostile BD wouldn't have made a difference.

Full ghar me ghus k istyle..

@Vsdoc

Yeah, that's why your superpower country was begging to Bangladesh for help to dismantle ULFA.

 

[Saif]

There would not be a Bangladesh today if it wasn't for India.

Let us always start with the fundamentals.

You will notice I rarely comment on Bangladeshi threads.

Unlike Sri Lanka, who pulled away from the brink (different national psyche), we are looking at potentially a second basket case now on our other flank.

Cheers, Doc

This basket case is the largest export market for India in South Asia. Bangladesh is the largest regional contributor to your poor economy.

 

[Saif]

There would not be a Bangladesh today if it wasn't for India.

There would not be any North-East if Bangladesh did not get independence from Pakistan.

 

[Vsdoc]

There would not be any North-East if Bangladesh did not get independence from Pakistan.

Please explain this bizzare assertion.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Yeah, that's why your superpower country was begging to Bangladesh for help to dismantle ULFA.

Like I said, India would have taken care of it regardless of who is in power in BD.

You keep making the mistake of greatly overestimating your worth to India, who, for their part have been very magnanimous in their dealing with your country/leadership.

I do not expect that to change much even now in this post Hasina era.

The ball is in BD's court, whatever play you make will be dealt with appropriately and reciprocated, hand of friendship, or a belligerent state.

Remember, India have had traditionally good (brotherly even) relations with Iran (souring a bit now because Gaza war, and our proximity and dealing with the Jews). Remember, India IGNORED US threats and continued to do oil trade with them, even devised an alternate payment stream to bypass western financial route sanctions.

and growing ties with the Saudis, and Emiratis, and the Russians, and the US led west. We still have a working relationship and trade with China.

Indian planners are pragmatic, our policy in the neighborhood has never been one of belligerence, even wrt Pak, we always counterpunched, never instigated hostilities.

Also, with these ultra-nationalist cowboys running things, there has been a shift.. terrorists, Islamic ones, or Khalistani ones, or of any other flavor are being hunted down..

in Pakistan
in Canada
in Australia
in the USA

you underestimate India at your own peril, your leaders, however, I'm sure they know the score.

 

[Saif]

Please explain this bizzare assertion.

Pakistan would have created 20 ULFAs in North East if Bangladesh did not get independence from Pakistan in 1971. Those who are knowledgeable on the issue know the kind of situation Pakistan created in North East before the independence of Bangladesh. You should be grateful to Bangladesh because its independence made sure the territorial integrity of India.

We would have gotten independence from Pakistan even if India did not help us in 1971. The whole population of East Pakistan revolted against the Pakistan government and such a movement backed by people could not have failed. Indian help just accelerated our victory that's all.

 

[Saif]

The ball is in BD's court, whatever play you make will be dealt with appropriately and reciprocated, hand of friendship, or a belligerent state.

Indian planners are pragmatic, our policy in the neighborhood has never been one of belligerence.

That's why you aided insurgency in Bangladesh's Chittagong Hill Tract. Shanti Bahini was your creation and it was a belligerent move by the Indian policymakers. Do your homework first before you shoot your mouth off about Indo-Bangla relation.

 

[Vsdoc]

Pakistan would have created 20 ULFAs in North East if Bangladesh did not get independence from Pakistan in 1971. Those who are knowledgeable on the issue know the kind of situation Pakistan created in North East before the independence of Bangladesh. You should be grateful to Bangladesh because its independence made sure the territorial integrity of India.

We would have gotten independence from Pakistan even if India did not help us in 1971. The whole population of East Pakistan revolted against the Pakistan government and such a movement backed by people could not have failed. Indian help just accelerated our victory that's all.

Pakistan tried its best with Khalistan. Do you know what we did to them?

Pakistan tried its best with Kashmir. Do you know what we did to them?

You seem to be young. Ask your parents and grandparents what Pakistan did to your women before we stepped in.

Your nation has selective Islamic hued mass amnesia when it comes to Hindu India.

I saw it at your Bangabandhu Airport in full splendor. In the stylised history of the creation of Bangladesh.

Talk about ostrichised revisionism through the lens of national shame, brutalized ego and religion.

Your revolt (trained and funded by India) counted for squat in the face of an occupying brutalizing army.

Just as your present day kindergarten student revolt would have counted for squat without your army's tacit approval and refusal to step in.

Stop dreaming and smell the coffee.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Stop dreaming and smell the coffee.

I would have phrased that differently, ever so slightly

what rhymes with coffee ?

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Bangladesh is the largest market for India in South Asia. We inject $30-40 billion into poor Indian economy. On the other hand, India has minuscule contribution($1.5 billion) to Bangladesh's economy. It is India not Bangladesh which is irrelevant in our bilateral relation. If we cancel the transit deal you will lose the safest route to transport military/economic merchandize to your North-East region. The transit fee was calculated to be Tk. 1058 but Hasina gave transit to India at Tk. 192. You are getting almost free transit from Bangladesh. We have dismantled ULFA which is the main reason your North-East is stable now. Without Bangladesh's support you cannot even maintain your territorial integrity.

Ofcourse 30 Bn USD is a good number but it is less than 4 % of India's export. Substitution of these goods will cost BD a lot and there will be a situation like Pakistan. They stopped some import from India and took it from other countries. Those countries buy the things from India and exports to Pakistan and Pakistan gets the same goods at much higher price. That is scenario No 1.

In Scenario 2, if India in retaliation reduces Ganga water, you can imagine the consequences. It is a give and take relationship in which India gives more and receives less.

 

[Saif]

Stop dreaming and smell the coffee.

Same to you.

 

[Saif]

Ofcourse 30 Bn USD is a good number but it is less than 4 % of India's export. Substitution of these goods will cost BD a lot and there will be a situation like Pakistan. They stopped some import from India and took it from other countries. Those countries buy the things from India and exports to Pakistan and Pakistan gets the same goods at much higher price. That is scenario No 1.

In Scenario 2, if India in retaliation reduces Ganga water, you can imagine the consequences. It is a give and take relationship in which India gives more and receives less.

In South Asia, Bangladesh is the largest export market for India. Your statistics were about India's global exports whereas mine was regional. We can buy agricultural products from China and they don't need to buy it from you to re-export to us. We don't get promised amount of water from Ganges anyway. The release of Ganges water by India sometimes comes down to meagre 9000 cusec. So, we are already not getting water from Ganges so threating us by saying you would stop water flow from Ganges means nothing for Bangladesh. India receives much more from Bangladesh than it gives back to Bangladesh.

 

[Saif]

Pakistan tried its best with Khalistan. Do you know what we did to them?

Pakistan tried its best with Kashmir. Do you know what we did to them?

Pakistan would have done much more harm to India in its North East because of your chicken neck. Thank Bangladesh for saving you from Pakistan.

 

[Saif]

Ask your parents and grandparents what Pakistan did to your women before we stepped in.

Ask your grand parents what the Britishers + Other European Countries did to your nation. Still I see many Indians feel proud to be British citizens. Why don't you stop importing military hardware from Europe in general and from Great Britain in particular?

 

[Bilal9]

There would not be a Bangladesh today if it wasn't for India.

Let us always start with the fundamentals.

You will notice I rarely comment on Bangladeshi threads.

Unlike Sri Lanka, who pulled away from the brink (different national psyche), we are looking at potentially a second basket case now on our other flank.

Cheers, Doc

Now - now, aren't we being a little hasty with the doomsday "basket case" scenario?

Dekho bhai - we cannot forget that India still has a GDP per capita nominal lower than Bangladesh.

India NEEDS Bangladesh. More precisely, it's businesspeople (Adanis and Ambanis) do.

I keep being surprised how people pass comments without being properly informed - no offense.

Bangladesh isn't going under anytime soon. Where would Indians sell their Vicco face cream, Parachute Nariel tel, Dabur toothpaste worth about 15 Billion every year? Bangladeshi tourists used to spend Rs. 10,000 crore every month in just the city of Kolkata about a year ago, without medical clinic business. This is per the Kolkata Chamber folks who I have known personally.

Win-win for Indians and Bangladeshis both.

Indian Visa office is hastily re-instating tourist visas for Bangladeshis as well, and kicking out Hasina to UAE, she's yesterday's news now. Paisey ka khel mei sharam ki baat minor cheez hai. Swallow pride and move on. Business must go on.

The US has repeated almost a dozen times in the last three years using it's senior state dept. people that it does not see Bangladesh with an "Indian" lens. Indian control was never going to last in Bangladesh, as we see now. Thanks to your Mota bhai and his hot air comments.

Hasina the Indian agent would have been killed just like her father, if she stayed in place. She decided to leave hastily at 45 minute's notice. The last thing she wants is to come back. I mean - c'mon....

Same story - different decade. Dictatorship does not last in Bangladesh. Entire Sheikh's family was culled in one fell swoop one summer day in 1975. Hasina not being in that group was a curse for Bangladesh. Bangladeshi people have a great amount of patience, but that has its limits as well.

This should be an interesting lesson for semi-educated Indian politicians on Chanakya-Neeti and how they choose stooges for neighbor govts. Also a lesson for educated Indian folks who elect these types of Indian politicians who get elected on discriminatory platforms and principles abhorred universally and globally.

Sooner or later everyone gets their come-uppance, no matter how powerful they think they are.

 

[Vsdoc]

Pakistan would have done much more harm to India in its North East because of your chicken neck. Thank Bangladesh for saving you from Pakistan.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

You Bangladeshi armchair warriors keep chortling over chicken's neck. Talk is all you can do.

While India went in, and broke Pakistan into two pieces.

In 1971. Followed by the largest surrender of soldiers seen after World War II.

Do something first. Then talk.

 

[Vsdoc]

Ask your grand parents what the Britishers + Other European Countries did to your nation. Still I see many Indians feel proud to be British citizens. Why don't you stop importing military hardware from Europe in general and from Great Britain in particular?

That is a silly analogy.

We have money. We have enemies. Who we need to kill. Dead.

So we will buy weapons to help us do that. With hard cash. No groveling. No world bank loans. No favors.

End result is that the enemies will be killed. Dead.

 

[Vsdoc]

Now - now, aren't we being a little hasty with the doomsday "basket case" scenario?

Dekho bhai - we cannot forget that India still has a GDP per capita nominal lower than Bangladesh.

India NEEDS Bangladesh. More precisely, it's businesspeople (Adanis and Ambanis) do.

I keep being surprised how people pass comments without being properly informed - no offense.

Bangladesh isn't going under anytime soon. Where would Indians sell their Vicco face cream, Parachute Nariel tel, Dabur toothpaste worth about 15 Billion every year? Bangladeshi tourists used to spend Rs. 10,000 crore every month in just the city of Kolkata about a year ago, without medical clinic business. This is per the Kolkata Chamber folks who I have known personally.

Win-win for Indians and Bangladeshis both.

Indian Visa office is hastily re-instating tourist visas for Bangladeshis as well, and kicking out Hasina to UAE, she's yesterday's news now. Paisey ka khel mei sharam ki baat minor cheez hai. Swallow pride and move on. Business must go on.

The US has repeated almost a dozen times in the last three years using it's senior state dept. people that it does not see Bangladesh with an "Indian" lens. Indian control was never going to last in Bangladesh, as we see now. Thanks to your Mota bhai and his hot air comments.

Hasina the Indian agent would have been killed just like her father, if she stayed in place. She decided to leave hastily at 45 minute's notice. The last thing she wants is to come back. I mean - c'mon....

Same story - different decade. Dictatorship does not last in Bangladesh. Entire Sheikh's family was culled in one fell swoop one summer day in 1975. Hasina not being in that group was a curse for Bangladesh. Bangladeshi people have a great amount of patience, but that has its limits as well.

This should be an interesting lesson for semi-educated Indian politicians on Chanakya-Neeti and how they choose stooges for neighbor govts. Also a lesson for educated Indian folks who elect these types of Indian politicians who get elected on discriminatory platforms and principles abhorred universally and globally.

Sooner or later everyone gets their come-uppance, no matter how powerful they think they are.

So what you're saying is that Bangladesh is no different to Middle Eastern or African savages.

Got it bhai.

And then you are surprised at the basket case prophecies.

 

[Vsdoc]

@Bilal9 remember one thing bro. Indians are nationalists inherently. And India is 80% Hindu.

Indians are also capitalists inherently, and will always be chasing benefit and profit.

These two go hand in hand.

Bangladesh with its population will always be looked at well by India as long as two things do not change:

1) Bangladesh economy and its ability to honor payments on time

2) The safety of Hindus and not working against Indian interests

If either of that change, you will see a Pakistanification of Bangladesh by India.

With the same end results.

 

[Saif]

That is a silly analogy.

We have money. We have enemies. Who we need to kill. Dead.

So we will buy weapons to help us do that. With hard cash. No groveling. No world bank loans. No favors.

End result is that the enemies will be killed. Dead.

Since my analogy goes against your interest, it automatically becomes a silly analogy. Why do you Indians react when we buy weapons from Pakistan?

 

[Saif]

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

You Bangladeshi armchair warriors keep chortling over chicken's neck. Talk is all you can do.

While India went in, and broke Pakistan into two pieces.

In 1971. Followed by the largest surrender of soldiers seen after World War II.

Do something first. Then talk.

You succeeded in 1971 because of us. Without our help you could not have succeeded in breaking Pakistan. How many times have you broken Pakistan after 1971? Have you been succeeded in taking back Azad Kashmir yet?

 

[Saif]

So we will buy weapons to help us do that. With hard cash. No groveling. No world bank loans. No favors.

When did world bank lend money to Bangladesh to procure weapons?