[🇮🇳] No surprise Pakistan sounded for ceasefire’: Air war historian Tom Cooper says conflict 'clear-cut victory' for India

[Vsdoc]

Oh sure, we did a full presser here with BDA sat pics clearly showing collapsed hangar domes and radar sites hit, uska no doubt.

but ye, itne saare f16s + mirages + tanker + awacs <- inka saboot wala hisab baaki hai.

like I said, I'd really really love to believe but am choosing to err on the side of caution and not celebrate those, not just yet anyway.

baaki you're right, navy no action, army also limited arty exchange.

All of that are movable assets. Consumable. Replenishable.

This is war. Industry needs to be in top gear to fight it. Look at Russia and Ukraine. At the volume and scale of damage

Our India Pak is like kiddies in a sand pit in comparison.

India Pakistan wars have rarely if ever been felt in the cities. Where people actually live.

In that sense, 2025 was many scales more demoralising for Pakistan than 1971. Which was fought largely a continent away.

 

[Vsdoc]

Nilgiri, I think.

No man.

Modi.

 

[Sharma Ji]

I can tell you what my parents told me of 1971. The fear was palpable. I was a few months old. My dad was at work. Mum was at home alone with me. Complete blackout. Windowpanes with paper/cardboard stuck on them. Air raid sirens.

Now imagine what goes theough the mind of Pakistanis when they see fire from the sky, and the final terminal scream of a missile, and then the spectacular detonation on their most guarded high value sites.

Sites which 99% of them must never have been allowed into.

And here the enemy is reaching out and touching you.

Again and again. Loud. Bright. At night.

No amount of propaganda is going to defeat the viral fear on the ground. Fear helplessness.

A d soon anger and resentment.

When their internal enemies keep hitting them.

And failed generals become Field Marshals .

I've also heard from my mum and masi, those stories of blackouts and sirens. 65 too, I think. Dilli.

 

[Sharma Ji]

No man.

Modi.

oh

of course

 

[Vsdoc]

just so you know, I've quit JC, place is a cesspool.

Very late.

After allowing them to violate you non stop.

Chtyas I wouldn't give the time of the day in the real world.

UK Pakistani and Indian alike.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Very late.

After allowing them to violate you non stop.

Chtyas I wouldn't give the time of the day in the real world.

UK Pakistani and Indian alike.

but durust

ab ek aadh ki poaching karni hai wahan se, or I might just suicide troll my way out permanently.

 

[Vsdoc]

but durust

ab ek aadh ki poaching karni hai wahan se, or I might just suicide troll my way out permanently.

This place just does not have the seed mass. Forget critical mass.

It will likely remain a closed boys club.

 

[Suresh Naresh]

I can tell you what my parents told me of 1971. The fear was palpable. I was a few months old. My dad was at work. Mum was at home alone with me. Complete blackout. Windowpanes with paper/cardboard stuck on them. Air raid sirens.

Now imagine what goes theough the mind of Pakistanis when they see fire from the sky, and the final terminal scream of a missile, and then the spectacular detonation on their most guarded high value sites.

Sites which 99% of them must never have been allowed into.

And here the enemy is reaching out and touching you.

Again and again. Loud. Bright. At night.

No amount of propaganda is going to defeat the viral fear on the ground. Fear helplessness.

A d soon anger and resentment.

When their internal enemies keep hitting them.

And failed generals become Field Marshals .

I've also heard from my mum and masi, those stories of blackouts and sirens. 65 too, I think. Dilli.

WOW!!!!! This story rings a faint bell!! I too have heard this story at home but very few times - probably only once or twice.

 

[Vsdoc]

WOW!!!!! This story rings a faint bell!! I too have heard this story at home but very few times - probably only once or twice.

That was the last time Indians felt war come home.

Even this time, it was mainly Kashmir, Jammu, Punjab, with a bit of Haryana and Rajasthan (reports).

 

[Sharma Ji]

WOW!!!!! This story rings a faint bell!! I too have heard this story at home but very few times - probably only once or twice.

Pakistani jets never intruded as deep as Mysore, but.

Mysore ki bagheeran @Vsdoc @Lulldapull

 

[Sharma Ji]

That was the last time Indians felt war come home.

Even this time, it was mainly Kashmir, Jammu, Punjab, with a bit of Haryana and Rajasthan (reports).

and Dilli proper, not sure their jets ever made it even as deep as that but blackouts and sirens "parde daal do, koi maachis bhi mat jalao" full of the blackout they still used to do.

 

[Vsdoc]

and Dilli proper, not sure their jets ever made it even as deep as that but blackouts and sirens "parde daal do, koi maachis bhi mat jalao" full of the blackout they still used to do.

Not this time na?

 

[Suresh Naresh]

Pakistani jets never intruded as deep as Mysore, but.

Mysore ki bagheeran @Vsdoc @Lulldapull

Uff! Itni si baat samajh mein nahi ati? I will borrow a quote related to FB to explain. People are born in some town. They grow up in some other town. They do their bachelors education in some other town. They get their first job in some other town. Etc.

BTW, Lulldapull kuchh bhi bakta hai. Tu sach maan leta hai.

 

[Vsdoc]

Not this time na?

Chandigarh waa on full blackout.

Sardar massive sade hue hain bc ki Golden Temple pe missile daag diya.

Usual ISI Khali afwaahs also ki Modi dunnit.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Not this time na?

ab ni hota uss type ka, I don't think. Bombing runs on cities' civvie areas as a war doctrine is dead.

damn near impossible too, to get anywhere near the capital anyway with all that AD, maybe only the US with their F-22/35 and B-21 raiders, maybe could pull something like that off.. maybe.

seat of government hai, max A/D BMD etc sab Modi etc ki gaand bachane me lage huwe hai.. this includes the opposition.

 

[Vsdoc]

I don't think. Bombing runs on cities' civvie areas as a war doctrine is dead.

Oh accha.

Russkies ko memo nahin mila.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Chandigarh waa on full blackout.

Sardar massive sade hue hain bc ki Golden Temple pe missile daag diya.

Usual ISI Khali afwaahs also ki Modi dunnit.

Chandi blackout ?? really ? Amritsar is a literal stone's throw from Pak.. Chandi toh kaafi andar hai, no ?

 

[Vsdoc]

Chandi blackout ?? really ? Amritsar is a literal stone's throw from Pak.. Chandi toh kaafi andar hai, no ?

Pretty close.

Amritsar Ambala eyc of course.

 

[Vsdoc]

246 km from Lahore.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Oh accha.

Russkies ko memo nahin mila.

unka alag scene hai Ukies ke saath.

kal ko Poland/nato pe kabhi bumb barsayenge, to they'll be careful.

warna Dresden, Tokyo is mostly history

but koi bharosa nahi hai humans ka, futt se junglion ki tareh wars can make a comeback too.

Pretty close.

Amritsar Ambala eyc of course.

They didn't so much as manage to put a little scratch on AFS Ambala.

PAF no long legs, jabki karna hota, then they could maybe have made an attempt even with their single engine fighters (which is all they have)

chakravyuh me fuss jaate