[🇵🇰-Airforce] Pakistan to Get Chinese-Made Shenyang J-35 Fifth-Gen Fighter Aircraft Within 24 Months

[Krishna with Flute]

That is a pretty bold statement!

What do you base that on - if I may ask? Meaning the so-called Stealth fighter part - I don't care what Saudis buy or don't buy.

The entire NATO considers that as a problem for non-Chinese stealth aircraft competition.

TAI TF Kaan: Turkey’s New 5th-Generation Fighter Is a Dagger Aimed at the Heart of NATO

Summary and Key Points: Turkey’s relations with the West have declined, partly due to the refusal to sell Patriot missile batteries and exclusion from the F-35 program. Turkey has instead developed its own fifth-generation fighter, the TAI TF Kaan, with advanced stealth and avionics, to replace...

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The fact that they have this is something. And probably will be ten years ahead of the AMCA.

@LegionnairE your kind thoughts.

There are only 2 real fifth generation planes and they are F22 and F35.. SU 57 comes closer but can't match F22. Chinese J20 is made of stuff worst than forth generation plane. Outdated engine, Canard, bigger RCS, outdated weapons, outdated Radar, outdated electronic. China's J35 flew a decade back. How many J35 China uses today though it's 2 new versions has come. Korean fifth generation fighters han no internal bay. Just shaping some plane with edges doesn't make a fighter fifth generation.

 

[Bilal9]

There are only 2 real fifth generation planes and they are F22 and F35.. SU 57 comes closer but can't match F22. Chinese J20 is made of stuff worst than forth generation plane. Outdated engine, Canard, bigger RCS, outdated weapons, outdated Radar, outdated electronic. China's J35 flew a decade back. How many J35 China uses today though it's 2 new versions has come. Korean fifth generation fighters han no internal bay. Just shaping some plane with edges doesn't make a fighter fifth generation.

Good explanation but you fail to mention that all airplane programs make evolutionary changes to their product.

The J35 of yesterday is not the J35 of today, ditto with the J20. In fact China is reportedly flying a sixth generation fighter, I posted a few videos in the China section. Chinese PLAAF sources will not confirm of course.

As bad as you say the RCS of J20 and J35 are compared to F22 and F35, they still have smaller and better RCS than most of the fighters we fly in South Asia today. That is the crux of the matter.

Unless of course - there is surprise news about the AMCA, which so far remains only on paper.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Good explanation but you fail to mention that all airplane programs make evolutionary changes to their product.

The J35 of yesterday is not the J35 of today, ditto with the J20. In fact China is reportedly flying a sixth generation fighter, I posted a few videos in the China section. Chinese PLAAF sources will not confirm of course.

As bad as you say the RCS of J20 and J35 are compared to F22 and F35, they still have smaller and better RCS than most of the fighters we fly in South Asia today. That is the crux of the matter.

Unless of course - there is surprise news about the AMCA, which so far remains only on paper.

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What is the end result. That is why I ask how many J 35 inducted by China? you can make a plane and call it fifth or 6th generation but what will you do with a J20 sort of plane which had scored 3.5 to 1 kill ration in their own exercise against Chinese third generation plane? F 22 has that kill ratio in excess of 100. You can make it look like a fifth-generation plane but that doesn't give you fifth generation capabilities. If you call your plane fifth generation and a good fourth generation plane see you from 150 K.M. and fire something like meteor, what is the use of those so called fifth generation plane? If you call your plane a fifth generation and reluctant to induct it in your Airforce, what is the use of that plane. Ofcourse, you can sell to some corrupt country by bribing their generals, but it cannot work in real fight.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Good explanation but you fail to mention that all airplane programs make evolutionary changes to their product.

The J35 of yesterday is not the J35 of today, ditto with the J20. In fact China is reportedly flying a sixth generation fighter, I posted a few videos in the China section. Chinese PLAAF sources will not confirm of course.

As bad as you say the RCS of J20 and J35 are compared to F22 and F35, they still have smaller and better RCS than most of the fighters we fly in South Asia today. That is the crux of the matter.

Unless of course - there is surprise news about the AMCA, which so far remains only on paper.

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So far as AMCA is concerned, we make a real fifth generation fighter unlike J20 and J35. Take for example SAAB Gripen. It is a 4+ generation fighter but have a look at its capabilities. it is best of its class. We have Tejas MK1 which is best lightweight fighter and shares 1st spot with Gripen C/D. Fifth generation fighters do not come very easily. Even US took a big effort, time and lots of money to make it happen. We have MWF, AMCA and ORCA in making. All are going to be Gripen/Rafale class fighter and above. Great cockpit lay out, state of art radar, top class RAM paints, great EW suite and top class weapons. Weapons will be an area where they will be far ahead of any plane. We have Indian, Russian, French, European and Israeli weapon option open for us which no other country in the world has.

 

[steppeWolff]

So far as AMCA is concerned, we make a real fifth generation fighter unlike J20 and J35. Take for example SAAB Gripen. It is a 4+ generation fighter but have a look at its capabilities. it is best of its class. We have Tejas MK1 which is best lightweight fighter and shares 1st spot with Gripen C/D. Fifth generation fighters do not come very easily. Even US took a big effort, time and lots of money to make it happen. We have MWF, AMCA and ORCA in making. All are going to be Gripen/Rafale class fighter and above. Great cockpit lay out, state of art radar, top class RAM paints, great EW suite and top class weapons. Weapons will be an area where they will be far ahead of any plane. We have Indian, Russian, French, European and Israeli weapon option open for us which no other country in the world has.

Lmao nigga is deluded

 

[Dogun18]

Lmao nigga is deluded

@Krishna with Flute @Sharma Ji @Lulldapull @Vsdoc

 

[Krishna with Flute]

@Krishna with Flute @Sharma Ji @Lulldapull @Vsdoc

One liner calling others deluded or confused is best way of face saving when you can not argue. I have all sympathy for him.

 

[Bilal9]

Lmao nigga is deluded

OK now now - he is entitled to his opinion. We all are. You can outline your opinion too.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

OK now now - he is entitled to his opinion. We all are. You can outline your opinion too.

Take it easy. Without that, the discussion will become boaring. @steppeWolff, see I am favouring you inspite you call me Nigga and deluded.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Lmao nigga is deluded

Allow me to parse it out for you

all 'tu tu mai mai' aside

we going for full indigenization here, bro

khreedne ka hai toh, Putin and Trump/west dono options hai.. money isn't an issue either

but wes going it solo, like proper troopers !

pushing a pencil up a mountain with our nose, we know

but sangharsh, hard work, tenacity.. we got the brain power, and an increasing industrial tech base.

Not there yet, but we'll get there.. Navy dekh, by far our biggest of the three, and with the most firepower.

US/west dont want us to, China and other smaller regional headaches like Pk dont want us to.. but we marching away anyway.

 

[steppeWolff]

OK now now - he is entitled to his opinion. We all are. You can outline your opinion too.

Calling J20 and J31 not real 5th Gen planes? I dont know then what else to call that.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

@Krishna with Flute @Sharma Ji @Lulldapull @Vsdoc

Tum kahi mera aur [IMG alt="steppeWolff"]https://pkdefense.com/data/avatars/s/0/244.jpg?1735396711[/IMG] @steppeWolff ka zagada to karana nahi chahate ho. Aise bhi meri kahi logo se nahi banati. Though I like them all.

 

[Jiangnan]

Tum kahi mera aur [IMG alt="steppeWolff"]https://pkdefense.com/data/avatars/s/0/244.jpg?1735396711[/IMG] @steppeWolff ka zagada to karana nahi chahate ho. Aise bhi meri kahi logo se nahi banati. Though I like them all.

I don't know what you're saying. We humans usually refer to the J-20 as the fifth generation fighter jet. The first 5th generation fighter jet in Asia.

After J-20... Other countries have just had the courage to try assembling 5th generation fighter jets.

It was the J-20 that gave Asia confidence.

PS： I don't think Indians are qualified to talk about 'standards'.

and “Chinese J20 is made of stuff worst than forth generation plane. Outdated engine, Canard, bigger RCS, outdated weapons, outdated Radar, outdated electronic. ” @Krishna with Flute What is the basis for your conclusion? Based on "the Indian MiG-21 shoot down the F-16”？

Who can tell me. What do Indians draw conclusions based on？@Bilal9 @steppeWolff

 

[Jiangnan]

There are only 2 real fifth generation planes and they are F22 and F35.. SU 57 comes closer but can't match F22. Chinese J20 is made of stuff worst than forth generation plane. Outdated engine, Canard, bigger RCS, outdated weapons, outdated Radar, outdated electronic. China's J35 flew a decade back. How many J35 China uses today though it's 2 new versions has come. Korean fifth generation fighters han no internal bay. Just shaping some plane with edges doesn't make a fighter fifth generation.

@Krishna with Flute @Sharma Ji @Lulldapull @Vsdoc

OK now now - he is entitled to his opinion. We all are. You can outline your opinion too.

I keep saying. Indians are not qualified to talk about 'standards'.

Indians evaluate the generation gap of fighter jets like dwarves discuss NBA star ratings.

F/A-XX program - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

It's not that Indians have IQ problems. India has never been exposed to high-end technology. It's like a blind person fantasizing about someone else's terrible life. And this blind man firmly believes in his imagination...

A dwarf. He thought he was an NBA referee...

 

[Krishna with Flute]

I don't know what you're saying. We humans usually refer to the J-20 as the fifth generation fighter jet. The first 5th generation fighter jet in Asia.

After J-20... Other countries have just had the courage to try assembling 5th generation fighter jets.

It was the J-20 that gave Asia confidence.

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PS： I don't think Indians are qualified to talk about 'standards'.

and “Chinese J20 is made of stuff worst than forth generation plane. Outdated engine, Canard, bigger RCS, outdated weapons, outdated Radar, outdated electronic. ” @Krishna with Flute What is the basis for your conclusion? Based on "the Indian MiG-21 shoot down the F-16”？

Who can tell me. What do Indians draw conclusions based on？@Bilal9 @steppeWolff

Answer me following question to clarify the Matters?

Which Engine does J20 Use, What is its power, At what speed does J 20 Supercruise?

Does J 20 have Canard or not?

Which are the weapons J 20 Supposed to carry?

Which AESA Radar does J 20 use? What is its power consumption? Is it air cooled or water cooled?

What mechanism does J 20 have to suppress IR signature?

Which Active cancellation system/ EW Suite does J 20 Use?