[🇵🇰] RigVedic Period of Pakistan

[Princeoftaxil]

@ThunderCat have you never seen British Mirpuris? Most look like Jeets, and Indian Panjabis look better.

 

[Princeoftaxil]

But yes the actual Panjabi is much better looking so are the ones in India, Jeets are on both sides

 

[ThunderCat]

I have met many panjabis from the other side here in the west, they look like us and it’s honestly hard for me to differ. And by north it would say north west

I don't know where you're from or what this weird account is, but I intend to find out. No they don't. Only some of them resemble Pakistanis.

This new account and posts seem suspicious.

 

[ThunderCat]

Depends on how we use the term. India historically is a continent. So North of India is where we are located.

It's a geographical area for the Indus basin.

 

[Lulldapull]

One thing I know for sure bhai........A hindu Kashmiri pundit or an east Punjabi from Amritsar or Chandigarrh or Jullundher or Patiala or Delhi/ Agra or Jaisalmir or Sirsa etc talks to us overseas Pakistani a whole heck of a lot more than he talks to his own countrymen outside the NW part of India.

This is true guys. I seen it myself.

 

[Princeoftaxil]

One thing I know for sure bhai........A hindu Kashmiri pundit or an east Punjabi from Amritsar or Chandigarrh or Jullundher or Patiala or Delhi/ Agra or Jaisalmir or Sirsa etc talks to us overseas Pakistani a whole heck of a lot more than he talks to his own countrymen outside the NW part of India.

This is true guys. I seen it myself.

I know like I said, there’s no different really. Don’t know what thundercat doesn’t understands

 

[Princeoftaxil]

I don't know where you're from or what this weird account is, but I intend to find out. No they don't. Only some of them resemble Pakistanis.

This new account and posts seem suspicious.

Keep deluding yourself man, good god. Nationalism is very cringe especially when it’s a modern state doing it.

 

[Mainerik]

Your account also looks phony. Your profile cannot be viewed and your other post seems identical to another strange account. I better try and have an inquiry done.

You can make replies as guests here.

 

[Lulldapull]

I know like I said, there’s no different really. Don’t know what thundercat doesn’t understands

NW Indian is very close to us Pakistanis both racially/ culturally/ linguistically......

There is no denying this and we experience this overseas.

NW Indians can't relate to 90% of their country bhai, they'd rather totally relate to us Pakistani pendu.......lol

East Punjab/ Himachalld, Hurryaanrra, western UP Delhi/ Agra/ Rajasthand/ Kashmir can't relate to the rest of India.

It is what it is bhai.......

 

[Sharma Ji]

lol @ThunderCat kya ho gya ? You seem super determined to prove your theory ki bhot differences hai, ghanta difference hai at least shakal wise with large swathes of north west India and you across the fence lot.

The differences are cultural, dress, food, accent (little bit).

I've had some interaction with Lahori Pakistanis, not a whole lot.. didn't see much difference. 🤷

 

[PrinceofTaxil]

The cities of the Harappan Culture had declined by 1900 BC. Consequently, their economic and administrative system had slowly declined. some centuries later, the speakers of Indo-Aryan language, Sanskrit, entered the north-west India (Indus region) from the Indo-Iranic region. Initially they would have come in small numbers through the passes in the northwestern mountains. Their initial settlements were in the valleys of the north-west and the plains of the Punjab. Later, they moved into Indo-Gangetic plains. As they were mainly a cattlekeeping people, they were mainly in search of pastures. By 6th century BC, they occupied the whole of North India, which was referred to as Aryavarta. This period between 1500 B.C and 600 B.C may be divided into the Early Vedic Period or Rig Vedic Period (1500 BC-1000 BC) and the Later Vedic Period (1000 BC - 600 BC).

During the Rig Vedic period, the Aryans were mostly confined to the Indus region, modern day Pakistan. The Rig Veda refers to Saptasindhu or the land of seven rivers. This includes the five rivers of Punjab, namely Jhelum, Chenab, Ravi, Beas and Sutlej along with the Indus and Saraswathi. This period presents something of a quandry for Indian historiography, since this earliest historical [as opposed to mythical] period of Indian history did not take place in India. Indian historiography has tended to shift the centroid of Rig Vedic culture out of Pakistan in into territory associated with Modern India, and has tended to shift the chronology of the decline of Harappan Culture to suggest a continuity between Harappan Culture and Rig Vedic culture, giving a patina of greater antiquity to the later, when the best evidence suggests a gap of nearly half a millenium.

The original home of the Aryans is a debatable question and there are several views. Different scholars have identified different regions as the original home of the Aryans. They include the Arctic region, Germany, Central Asia and southern Russia. Bala Gangadhara Tilak argues that the Aryans came from the Arctic region on astronomical calculations. However, the theory of southern Russia appears to be more probable and widely accepted by historians. From there, the Aryans moved to different parts of Asia and Europe. They entered India in about 1500 BC and came to be known as Indo-Aryans. They spoke the Indo-Aryan language, Sanskrit.

The word ‘Veda’ is derived from the root ‘vid’, which means to know. In other words, the term ‘Veda’ signifies ‘superiorknowledge’. The Vedic literature consists of the four Vedas – Rig, Yajur, Sama and Atharva. The Rig Veda is the earliest of the four Vedas and it consists of 1028 hymns. The hymns were sung in praise of various gods. The Yajur Veda consists of various details of rules to be observed at the time of sacrifice. The Sama Veda is set to tune for the purpose of chanting during sacrifice. It is called the book of chants and the origins of Indian music are traced in it. The Atharva Veda contains details of rituals.

Besides the Vedas, there are other sacred works like the Brahmanas, the Upanishads, the Aranyakas and the epics Ramayanaand Mahabharata. The Brahmanas are the treatises relating to prayer and sacrificial ceremony. The Upanishads are philosophical texts dealing with topic like the soul, the absolute, the origin of the world and the mysteries of nature. The Aranyakas are called forest books and they deal with mysticism, rites, rituals and sacrifices. The author of Ramayana was Valmiki and that of Mahabharata was Vedavyas.

The political, social and cultural life of the Rig Vedic people can be traced from the hymns of the Rig Veda. The basic unit of political organization was kula or family. Several families joined together on the basis of their kinship to form a village or grama. The leader of grama was known as gramani. A group of villages constituted a larger unit called visu. It was headed by vishayapati. The highest political unit was called jana or tribe.

There were several tribal kingdoms during the Rig Vedic period such as Bharatas, Matsyas, Yadus and Purus. The head of the kingdom was called as rajan or king. The Rig Vedic polity was normally monarchical and the succession was hereditary. The king was assisted by purohita or priest and senani or commander of the army in his administration. There were two popular bodies called the Sabha and Samiti. The former seems to have been a council of elders and the latter, a general assembly of the entire people.

The Rig Vedic society was patriarchal. The basic unit of society was family or graham. The head of the family was known as grahapathi. Monogamy was generally practiced while polygamy was prevalent among the royal and noble families. The wife took care of the household and participated in all the major ceremonies. Women were given equal opportunities as men for their spiritual and intellectual development. There were women poets like Apala, Viswavara, Ghosa and Lopamudra during the Rig Vedic period. Women could even attend the popular assemblies. There was no child marriage and the practice of sati was absent.

Both men and women wore upper and lower garments made of cotton and wool. A variety of ornaments were used by both men and women. Wheat and barley, milk and its products like curd and ghee, vegetables and fruits were the chief articles of food. The eating of cow’s meat was prohibited since it was a sacred animal. Chariot racing, horse racing, dicing, music and dance were the favourite pastimes. The social divisions were not rigid during the Rig Vedic period as it was in the later Vedic period.

The Rig Vedic Aryans were pastoral people and their main occupation was cattle rearing. Their wealth was estimated in terms of their cattle. When they permanently settled in North India they began to practice agriculture. With the knowledge and use of iron they were able to clean forests and bring more lands under cultivation. Carpentry was another important profession and the availability of wood from the forests cleared made the profession profitable. Carpenters produced chariots and ploughs. Workers in metal made a variety of articles with copper, bronze and iron.

Spinning was another important occupation and cotton and woolen fabrics were made. Goldsmiths were active in making ornaments. The potters made various kinds of vessels for domestic use. Trade was another important economic activity and rivers served as important means of transport. Trade was conducted on barter system. In the later times, gold coins called nishka were used as media of exchange in large transactions.

The Rig Vedic Aryans worshiped the natural forces like earth, fire, wind, rain and thunder. They personified these natural forces into many gods and worshipped them. The important Rig Vedic gods were Prithvi (Earth), Agni (Fire), Vayu (Wind), Varuna (Rain) and Indra (Thunder). Indra was the most popular among them during the early Vedic period. Next in importance to Indra was Agni who was regarded as an intermediary between the gods and people. Varuna was supposed to be the upholder of the natural order. There were also female gods like Aditi and Ushas. There were no temples and no idol worship during the early Vedic period. Prayers were offered to the gods in the expectation of rewards. Ghee, milk and grain were given as offerings. Elaborate rituals were followed during the worship.

This was a good read, covered nice history, apart from your replies saying we have nothing in common with North West Indians which is a lie, good post. I’d prefer them over the Iranians we have to live with and neighbour.

 

[Sharma Ji]

This was a good read, covered nice history, apart from your replies saying we have nothing in common with North West Indians which is a lie, good post. I’d prefer them over the Iranians we have to live with and neighbour.

O beta, shots fired !

I wonder how Mister @Lulldapull may feel about what you say here.

 

[Lulldapull]

O beta, shots fired !

I wonder how Mister @Lulldapull may feel about what you say here.

bhai, north Indians talk to us far more than they talk to their own!

Hindu Punjabis and Sikh and Indian Kashmiri/ UP k log consider us in Karachi/ Lahore/ Isloo as their kin......not some somebody from Tamil Nadu or Chennai or Banglore or Bengal or even Bihar.......lol

I've seen it so often.

Same with Sindhi hindus.......

Language/ culture totally overrules religion any day!

 

[Sharma Ji]

bhai, north Indians talk to us far more than they talk to their own!

Hindu Punjabis and Sikh and Indian Kashmiri/ UP k log consider us in Karachi/ Lahore/ Isloo as their kin......not some somebody from Tamil Nadu or Chennai or Banglore or Bengal or even Bihar.......lol

I've seen it so often.

Same with Sindhi hindus.......

Language/ culture totally overrules religion any day!

Culture does indeed Trump mazhab, but mazhab also seeps into culture.. like duuboing roti into korma/daal/curry.

I still feel very alien here in the kinda south, also christy area, full.. no speak local language, nothing.. but you can wing it easy.

Every now and then koi northie fruitseller and shop wala milega, un se do mint guftagoo kr ke feels good.. lol

 

[Princeoftaxil]

O beta, shots fired !

I wonder how Mister @Lulldapull may feel about what you say here.

Ah, well what is true is true, i do have my opinions on the way partition happened but like you say religion does sweep into culture. But once you see things practically its just not as easy to be with the iranic races here (most of whom are tribalistic, uneducated, deeply religious or just blatantly racist because their skin is lighter) all of these things get annoying and then i ask my self the reason we chose to live together and its merely because of a faith. That being said we Panjabis/Sindhis also have our flaws.