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Source : https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/pakistan/rig-vedic-period.htm Short Summary: A short description of the RigVedic period of Pakistan, the geographical India.
The cities of the Harappan Culture had declined by 1900 BC. Consequently, their economic and administrative system had slowly declined. some centuries later, the speakers of Indo-Aryan language, Sanskrit, entered the north-west India (Indus region) from the Indo-Iranic region. Initially they would have come in small numbers through the passes in the northwestern mountains. Their initial settlements were in the valleys of the north-west and the plains of the Punjab. Later, they moved into Indo-Gangetic plains. As they were mainly a cattlekeeping people, they were mainly in search of pastures. By 6th century BC, they occupied the whole of North India, which was referred to as Aryavarta. This period between 1500 B.C and 600 B.C may be divided into the Early Vedic Period or Rig Vedic Period (1500 BC-1000 BC) and the Later Vedic Period (1000 BC - 600 BC).

During the Rig Vedic period, the Aryans were mostly confined to the Indus region, modern day Pakistan. The Rig Veda refers to Saptasindhu or the land of seven rivers. This includes the five rivers of Punjab, namely Jhelum, Chenab, Ravi, Beas and Sutlej along with the Indus and Saraswathi. This period presents something of a quandry for Indian historiography, since this earliest historical [as opposed to mythical] period of Indian history did not take place in India. Indian historiography has tended to shift the centroid of Rig Vedic culture out of Pakistan in into territory associated with Modern India, and has tended to shift the chronology of the decline of Harappan Culture to suggest a continuity between Harappan Culture and Rig Vedic culture, giving a patina of greater antiquity to the later, when the best evidence suggests a gap of nearly half a millenium.

The original home of the Aryans is a debatable question and there are several views. Different scholars have identified different regions as the original home of the Aryans. They include the Arctic region, Germany, Central Asia and southern Russia. Bala Gangadhara Tilak argues that the Aryans came from the Arctic region on astronomical calculations. However, the theory of southern Russia appears to be more probable and widely accepted by historians. From there, the Aryans moved to different parts of Asia and Europe. They entered India in about 1500 BC and came to be known as Indo-Aryans. They spoke the Indo-Aryan language, Sanskrit.

The word ‘Veda’ is derived from the root ‘vid’, which means to know. In other words, the term ‘Veda’ signifies ‘superiorknowledge’. The Vedic literature consists of the four Vedas – Rig, Yajur, Sama and Atharva. The Rig Veda is the earliest of the four Vedas and it consists of 1028 hymns. The hymns were sung in praise of various gods. The Yajur Veda consists of various details of rules to be observed at the time of sacrifice. The Sama Veda is set to tune for the purpose of chanting during sacrifice. It is called the book of chants and the origins of Indian music are traced in it. The Atharva Veda contains details of rituals.

Besides the Vedas, there are other sacred works like the Brahmanas, the Upanishads, the Aranyakas and the epics Ramayanaand Mahabharata. The Brahmanas are the treatises relating to prayer and sacrificial ceremony. The Upanishads are philosophical texts dealing with topic like the soul, the absolute, the origin of the world and the mysteries of nature. The Aranyakas are called forest books and they deal with mysticism, rites, rituals and sacrifices. The author of Ramayana was Valmiki and that of Mahabharata was Vedavyas.

The political, social and cultural life of the Rig Vedic people can be traced from the hymns of the Rig Veda. The basic unit of political organization was kula or family. Several families joined together on the basis of their kinship to form a village or grama. The leader of grama was known as gramani. A group of villages constituted a larger unit called visu. It was headed by vishayapati. The highest political unit was called jana or tribe.

There were several tribal kingdoms during the Rig Vedic period such as Bharatas, Matsyas, Yadus and Purus. The head of the kingdom was called as rajan or king. The Rig Vedic polity was normally monarchical and the succession was hereditary. The king was assisted by purohita or priest and senani or commander of the army in his administration. There were two popular bodies called the Sabha and Samiti. The former seems to have been a council of elders and the latter, a general assembly of the entire people.

The Rig Vedic society was patriarchal. The basic unit of society was family or graham. The head of the family was known as grahapathi. Monogamy was generally practiced while polygamy was prevalent among the royal and noble families. The wife took care of the household and participated in all the major ceremonies. Women were given equal opportunities as men for their spiritual and intellectual development. There were women poets like Apala, Viswavara, Ghosa and Lopamudra during the Rig Vedic period. Women could even attend the popular assemblies. There was no child marriage and the practice of sati was absent.

Both men and women wore upper and lower garments made of cotton and wool. A variety of ornaments were used by both men and women. Wheat and barley, milk and its products like curd and ghee, vegetables and fruits were the chief articles of food. The eating of cow’s meat was prohibited since it was a sacred animal. Chariot racing, horse racing, dicing, music and dance were the favourite pastimes. The social divisions were not rigid during the Rig Vedic period as it was in the later Vedic period.

The Rig Vedic Aryans were pastoral people and their main occupation was cattle rearing. Their wealth was estimated in terms of their cattle. When they permanently settled in North India they began to practice agriculture. With the knowledge and use of iron they were able to clean forests and bring more lands under cultivation. Carpentry was another important profession and the availability of wood from the forests cleared made the profession profitable. Carpenters produced chariots and ploughs. Workers in metal made a variety of articles with copper, bronze and iron.

Spinning was another important occupation and cotton and woolen fabrics were made. Goldsmiths were active in making ornaments. The potters made various kinds of vessels for domestic use. Trade was another important economic activity and rivers served as important means of transport. Trade was conducted on barter system. In the later times, gold coins called nishka were used as media of exchange in large transactions.

The Rig Vedic Aryans worshiped the natural forces like earth, fire, wind, rain and thunder. They personified these natural forces into many gods and worshipped them. The important Rig Vedic gods were Prithvi (Earth), Agni (Fire), Vayu (Wind), Varuna (Rain) and Indra (Thunder). Indra was the most popular among them during the early Vedic period. Next in importance to Indra was Agni who was regarded as an intermediary between the gods and people. Varuna was supposed to be the upholder of the natural order. There were also female gods like Aditi and Ushas. There were no temples and no idol worship during the early Vedic period. Prayers were offered to the gods in the expectation of rewards. Ghee, milk and grain were given as offerings. Elaborate rituals were followed during the worship.
 
No idea, ask Joe from the other place about history etc.. I haven't much of a clue.

Kahan hai Joe Dada? He has an account here but haven't seen him post here in ages. He is a mod or admin in the other place I believe but he'd enrich our conversations here a lot. I have a lot of respect for him as an elder brother.

I know you may not like him a lot but there is the generation gap to consider.
 
The cities of the Harappan Culture had declined by 1900 BC. Consequently, their economic and administrative system had slowly declined. some centuries later, the speakers of Indo-Aryan language, Sanskrit, entered the north-west India (Indus region) from the Indo-Iranic region. Initially they would have come in small numbers through the passes in the northwestern mountains. Their initial settlements were in the valleys of the north-west and the plains of the Punjab. Later, they moved into Indo-Gangetic plains. As they were mainly a cattlekeeping people, they were mainly in search of pastures. By 6th century BC, they occupied the whole of North India, which was referred to as Aryavarta. This period between 1500 B.C and 600 B.C may be divided into the Early Vedic Period or Rig Vedic Period (1500 BC-1000 BC) and the Later Vedic Period (1000 BC - 600 BC).

During the Rig Vedic period, the Aryans were mostly confined to the Indus region, modern day Pakistan. The Rig Veda refers to Saptasindhu or the land of seven rivers. This includes the five rivers of Punjab, namely Jhelum, Chenab, Ravi, Beas and Sutlej along with the Indus and Saraswathi. This period presents something of a quandry for Indian historiography, since this earliest historical [as opposed to mythical] period of Indian history did not take place in India. Indian historiography has tended to shift the centroid of Rig Vedic culture out of Pakistan in into territory associated with Modern India, and has tended to shift the chronology of the decline of Harappan Culture to suggest a continuity between Harappan Culture and Rig Vedic culture, giving a patina of greater antiquity to the later, when the best evidence suggests a gap of nearly half a millenium.

The original home of the Aryans is a debatable question and there are several views. Different scholars have identified different regions as the original home of the Aryans. They include the Arctic region, Germany, Central Asia and southern Russia. Bala Gangadhara Tilak argues that the Aryans came from the Arctic region on astronomical calculations. However, the theory of southern Russia appears to be more probable and widely accepted by historians. From there, the Aryans moved to different parts of Asia and Europe. They entered India in about 1500 BC and came to be known as Indo-Aryans. They spoke the Indo-Aryan language, Sanskrit.

The word ‘Veda’ is derived from the root ‘vid’, which means to know. In other words, the term ‘Veda’ signifies ‘superiorknowledge’. The Vedic literature consists of the four Vedas – Rig, Yajur, Sama and Atharva. The Rig Veda is the earliest of the four Vedas and it consists of 1028 hymns. The hymns were sung in praise of various gods. The Yajur Veda consists of various details of rules to be observed at the time of sacrifice. The Sama Veda is set to tune for the purpose of chanting during sacrifice. It is called the book of chants and the origins of Indian music are traced in it. The Atharva Veda contains details of rituals.

Besides the Vedas, there are other sacred works like the Brahmanas, the Upanishads, the Aranyakas and the epics Ramayanaand Mahabharata. The Brahmanas are the treatises relating to prayer and sacrificial ceremony. The Upanishads are philosophical texts dealing with topic like the soul, the absolute, the origin of the world and the mysteries of nature. The Aranyakas are called forest books and they deal with mysticism, rites, rituals and sacrifices. The author of Ramayana was Valmiki and that of Mahabharata was Vedavyas.

The political, social and cultural life of the Rig Vedic people can be traced from the hymns of the Rig Veda. The basic unit of political organization was kula or family. Several families joined together on the basis of their kinship to form a village or grama. The leader of grama was known as gramani. A group of villages constituted a larger unit called visu. It was headed by vishayapati. The highest political unit was called jana or tribe.

There were several tribal kingdoms during the Rig Vedic period such as Bharatas, Matsyas, Yadus and Purus. The head of the kingdom was called as rajan or king. The Rig Vedic polity was normally monarchical and the succession was hereditary. The king was assisted by purohita or priest and senani or commander of the army in his administration. There were two popular bodies called the Sabha and Samiti. The former seems to have been a council of elders and the latter, a general assembly of the entire people.

The Rig Vedic society was patriarchal. The basic unit of society was family or graham. The head of the family was known as grahapathi. Monogamy was generally practiced while polygamy was prevalent among the royal and noble families. The wife took care of the household and participated in all the major ceremonies. Women were given equal opportunities as men for their spiritual and intellectual development. There were women poets like Apala, Viswavara, Ghosa and Lopamudra during the Rig Vedic period. Women could even attend the popular assemblies. There was no child marriage and the practice of sati was absent.

Both men and women wore upper and lower garments made of cotton and wool. A variety of ornaments were used by both men and women. Wheat and barley, milk and its products like curd and ghee, vegetables and fruits were the chief articles of food. The eating of cow’s meat was prohibited since it was a sacred animal. Chariot racing, horse racing, dicing, music and dance were the favourite pastimes. The social divisions were not rigid during the Rig Vedic period as it was in the later Vedic period.

The Rig Vedic Aryans were pastoral people and their main occupation was cattle rearing. Their wealth was estimated in terms of their cattle. When they permanently settled in North India they began to practice agriculture. With the knowledge and use of iron they were able to clean forests and bring more lands under cultivation. Carpentry was another important profession and the availability of wood from the forests cleared made the profession profitable. Carpenters produced chariots and ploughs. Workers in metal made a variety of articles with copper, bronze and iron.

Spinning was another important occupation and cotton and woolen fabrics were made. Goldsmiths were active in making ornaments. The potters made various kinds of vessels for domestic use. Trade was another important economic activity and rivers served as important means of transport. Trade was conducted on barter system. In the later times, gold coins called nishka were used as media of exchange in large transactions.

The Rig Vedic Aryans worshiped the natural forces like earth, fire, wind, rain and thunder. They personified these natural forces into many gods and worshipped them. The important Rig Vedic gods were Prithvi (Earth), Agni (Fire), Vayu (Wind), Varuna (Rain) and Indra (Thunder). Indra was the most popular among them during the early Vedic period. Next in importance to Indra was Agni who was regarded as an intermediary between the gods and people. Varuna was supposed to be the upholder of the natural order. There were also female gods like Aditi and Ushas. There were no temples and no idol worship during the early Vedic period. Prayers were offered to the gods in the expectation of rewards. Ghee, milk and grain were given as offerings. Elaborate rituals were followed during the worship.

Eating cows were allowed during this period. And also horse sacrifices.

In fact there are records of Jaggwas (or "Yajna" ceremonies) where horses were officially sacrificed.

It was called AshwaMedha Jaggwa.

 
Who knows - may be true.
We are not bhai.......wes all local pendu people.......All of us and the NW Indians are all same same.....No diff whatsover.

Pakistani Punjabi/ Mirpuri is much closer culturally to Indian E Punjabi/ Hurryaanrrvi than a Pashto or Baloch.....And Sindhi's are practically half hindu as a culture/ civilization.

Dis much I know......and seen/ observed dis......

Baloch/ Pashto are Irani (Persian) tribals and a very different qaum, if you know what I mean.
 
We are not bhai.......wes all local pendu people.......All of us and the NW Indians are all same same.....No diff whatsover.

Pakistani Punjabi/ Mirpuri is much closer culturally to Indian E Punjabi/ Hurryaanrrvi than a Pashto or Baloch.....And Sindhi's are practically half hindu as a culture/ civilization.

Dis much I know......and seen/ observed dis......

Baloch/ Pashto are Irani (Persian) tribals and a very different qaum, if you know what I mean.

LOL wrong
 
LOL wrong
NW India is very close to us in Punjab/ Sindh......its the same culture same language......

Likewise Pashto/ Balochi are much closer to the Iranis culturally/ linguistically. Hell Afghanistan's national language is Persian, who are we kidding man?

Its true bhai.....thank god they're not shia or else we wouldn't even exist as a country.......do mintt main they'd have gone there and joined the Iranis.
 
north west Indians and Pk punjabi are same.. haryana, pnjab, dilli, oopee

Sindhis are Gujaratis
Yupp.......saaray aik dumm say aik doosray k lund say lund mila letay hain........ :ROFLMAO:

Do mintt ne luggtay bhai.........dis happens within few seconds sometimes........:ROFLMAO:

Me n doc were busting out laughing about dis yonks ago........:ROFLMAO:

Aaaaaaahahahahaaaaaaa.......

Now, on de oder side the Afghani/ Baloch/ Pashto/ Tajiki/ Uzbeki/ Turkoman do second main jaa ker Iranio k qadmon per girr parrta hae......aur bagher poochhay un ka lund choosnay lugg jaata hae......:ROFLMAO:


God, how many times have I fukking seen dis man.......:ROFLMAO:

Aaaaaaahahahahaaaaaaa.......
 
Yupp.......saaray aik dumm say aik doosray k lund say lund mila letay hain........ :ROFLMAO:

Do mintt ne luggtay bhai.........dis happens within few seconds sometimes........:ROFLMAO:

Me n doc were busting out laughing about dis yonks ago........:ROFLMAO:

Aaaaaaahahahahaaaaaaa.......

Now, on de oder side the Afghani/ Baloch/ Pashto/ Tajiki/ Uzbeki/ Turkoman do second main jaa ker Iranio k qadmon per girr parrta hae......aur bagher poochhay un ka lund choosnay lugg jaata hae......:ROFLMAO:


God, how many times have I fukking seen dis man.......:ROFLMAO:

Aaaaaaahahahahaaaaaaa.......
you orginally Lahori, right ?
 
Saeraki speaking ?
Oh no seraiki is south punjab/ north sindh. Here in Haripur about 500 miles north of Multan people speak either hindko or Pashto generally and few speak Punjabi.

This area is the home of Ashok. He lived here and then later chandragupta. Lot of invasions over the last 2700 years. The Achaemenids were here and then the Greeks came and then again the Parthians after the Greeks then the Scythians……then the central asian guppu came and destroyed Taxila. Destroyed all the monasteries and Stupas and the oldest university of the world. Now just ancient ruins of Dharmarajika, Jaulian and Sirkap remain.

Just like Moenjodaro bhai…..a very haunting and ancient city.
 
NW India is very close to us in Punjab/ Sindh......its the same culture same language......

Likewise Pashto/ Balochi are much closer to the Iranis culturally/ linguistically. Hell Afghanistan's national language is Persian, who are we kidding man?

Its true bhai.....thank god they're not shia or else we wouldn't even exist as a country.......do mintt main they'd have gone there and joined the Iranis.

NW Indians that you write of are only a tiny percent of the Bharati population. Plus much of their commonality is purely linguistic.

Seen plenty of Northern Bhratis in Canada, they don't look like Eastern Pakistanis too much.
Traveled to rural Sindh last year, didn't find any rural Sindhis that look Pajeet.

It got me thinking how many exaggerated lies we've been fed.
 
NW Indians that you write of are only a tiny percent of the Bharati population. Plus much of their commonality is purely linguistic.

Seen plenty of Northern Bhratis in Canada, they don't look like Eastern Pakistanis too much.
Traveled to rural Sindh last year, didn't find any rural Sindhis that look Pajeet.

It got me thinking how many exaggerated lies we've been fed.
We only care about NW Indians (10% at most) because they are like us. Anybody else in India is not our lineage nor our culture they are aboriginal people of original India like traditional land owners.

I've sat down with Indians all da time and only their NW area is close to us culturally until Delhi/ Agra at the most (maybe 1% to 2% of their awaam if you include Brahmunndzz/ khatri).......after that bhai its just dalit aboriginal people.

Best of luck to them and the same going south of Delhi, the dalit country starts very quickly.

Wes da invaders from Ukraine/ Caucasus/ Iran/ Afghanistan over the last 5k years or so........this India is really their dalit country.

99.99999999% dalit hain bhai, ab kya bolain no?
 
We only care about NW Indians (10% at most) because they are like us. Anybody else in India is not our lineage nor our culture they are aboriginal people of original India like traditional land owners.

I've sat down with Indians all da time and only their NW area is close to us culturally until Delhi/ Agra at the most (maybe 1% to 2% of their awaam if you include Brahmunndzz/ khatri).......after that bhai its just dalit aboriginal people.

Best of luck to them and the same going south of Delhi, the dalit country starts very quickly.

Wes da invaders from Ukraine/ Caucasus/ Iran/ Afghanistan over the last 5k years or so........this India is really their dalit country.

99.99999999% dalit hain bhai, ab kya bolain no?

I have too. Plenty of them simply don't look like us. Our "commonalities" are mainly common lingua franca from the Ghaznavids & Ghoris. There's also been a population exchange.

But on averages Northern Bharatis also look quite different from Native Punjabis & Sindhis.
 
Bhai subcontinent 90% dalit hae…..there is no mistaking this.

We Hindi/ Urdu/ Punjabi/ Kashmiri/ Sindhi speakers are the outsiders.

West of Indus Persia begins.
there's gora Tam Brams too, they hardcore about varna and caste.. Iyer, Iyengaar bammans etc.. as well as nimboodhri and others from maharastra.. goras with sometimes blue/green/hazel eyes waali genes..


Ajit Agarkar, Aishwarya Rai.. many
 
Do they ?

You'd be hard pressed to tell many north western Bhartis apart from your proper Pk momins if you take away the tika, stacheless beard, sikhan di turbin and other decorations on the insaand in question.

wduthink @Lulldapull ?
Living in Canada and encountering many NW Bharatis and visiting Pakistan, I began to realize this even more than I already have.

No other reason. Common linguistics does not equal common genetics. Not to mention there has been a population exchange between the two countries.

There is a desire on the Bharati side to seek 'commonality' with the Pakistani side, but the feeling is not mutual, unless you count Muhajirs & liberal class Sindhis.
 
Living in Canada and encountering many NW Bharatis and visiting Pakistan, I began to realize this even more than I already have.

No other reason. Common linguistics does not equal common genetics. Not to mention there has been a population exchange between the two countries.

There is a desire on the Bharati side to seek 'commonality' with the Pakistani side, but the feeling is not mutual, unless you count Muhajirs & liberal class Sindhis.
It may well be the case, then. I live here and therefore don't get to meet many (any) Pakistanis. Years ago I'd met some Pakistanis who were here for a wedding and that's all I've even known.. Lahoris, very nice cultured folk and looked just like everyone else mostly apart from the accent which I found quite different.

Apart from that all I have is news, TV, interweb video bits. Bhot different to nahi lagtey, imo 🤷‍♂️

Haan, but, these chhotu 4 footer scrawny malnourished ugly black Bihari, UP bhaiyya types.. those are an Indian special, dalits, chamaars etc
 
It may well be the case, then. I live here and therefore don't get to meet many (any) Pakistanis. Years ago I'd met some Pakistanis who were here for a wedding and that's all I've even known.. Lahoris, very nice cultured folk and looked just like everyone else mostly apart from the accent which I found quite different.

Apart from that all I have is news, TV, interweb video bits. Bhot different to nahi lagtey, imo 🤷‍♂️

Haan, but, these chhotu 4 footer scrawny malnourished ugly black Bihari, UP bhaiyya types.. those are an Indian special, dalits, chamaars etc

Pakistanis in India for a wedding?
 
This is happening a lot out west now. Our girls marrying foreigners.......I've seen it myself.

Muslim whulld in serious turmoil bro.......the educated good family ones often opt out and marry educated hillbilly or other races.
Here it was love zihad :D .. Hindu Punjabi girl married a Musalman, both Dilli walas, he had family in Hyderabad (India) as well as Lahore etc. Scene was slightly complicated because my uncle was fresh out of the army, retired Brigadier.

At the time, I remember some pretty hefty sleuths (srsly heavy guys) came to our house for verification too, k so and so Pakistanis are coming here for a shaadi, full information lee humse.

All went smoothly, it was pretty lavish and regal.. much merriment was had. Unki shaadi eventually didn't work out after some years together, oh well.. such is liphe.
 
It may well be the case, then. I live here and therefore don't get to meet many (any) Pakistanis. Years ago I'd met some Pakistanis who were here for a wedding and that's all I've even known.. Lahoris, very nice cultured folk and looked just like everyone else mostly apart from the accent which I found quite different.

Apart from that all I have is news, TV, interweb video bits. Bhot different to nahi lagtey, imo 🤷‍♂️

Haan, but, these chhotu 4 footer scrawny malnourished ugly black Bihari, UP bhaiyya types.. those are an Indian special, dalits, chamaars etc
NW India of east Punjab, Himachalld, Kashmir, Rajasthaandd, western UP are close to Pakistan racially/ culturally/ linguistically.......

Baqi to bhai taadda Allah he maalik hae ga.......good luck!

Very different countries minus only NW india......as a commonality.
 
NW India of east Punjab, Himachalld, Kashmir, Rajasthaandd, western UP are close to Pakistan racially/ culturally/ linguistically.......

Baqi to bhai taadda Allah he maalik hae ga.......good luck!

Very different countries minus only NW india......as a commonality.

Kashmir is only "Bharati" politically as in controlled by Bharat. They do not consider themselves Bharati.

Rajesthanis don't always look Pakistani and neither do East Punjabis. In fact a video you yourself posted last year on an East Punjabi stealing at Dallas airport looked significantly Australoid.

Definitely not your average Pakistani Punjabis.
 
Kashmir is only "Bharati" politically as in controlled by Bharat. They do not consider themselves Bharati.

Rajesthanis don't always look Pakistani and neither do East Punjabis. In fact a video you yourself posted last year on an East Punjabi stealing at Dallas airport looked significantly Australoid.

Definitely not your average Pakistani Punjabis.
Oh please... while I sorta agree with your general premise k Indians, "East Punjabis" in specific, may be more tanned :P (shall we say ?) than their Bhawalpur Pnjab and north Pnjab aka Ajad Kasmiri mard'e'momin counterparts

it is still the case that most people are ekdum same looking... Korean and East Chinese waali baat ho gai na..

apne cricketeron ke shaqlein dekhen zra, ek se ek majdoor low level shuddar constriction workers lagte sab lol
 

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