Wars 2023 10/08 Monitoring the Israel and Lebanon War

[Lulldapull]

Persian nationalism or Pan Persian Nationalism as its commonly called in the west, is greatly misunderstood. By Iranians as well as non Iranians, including you apparently.

How can the Mullas be Persian nationalists when many of them are not ... Persian.

Velayat e Faqih is not a Persian nationalism paradigm. Its an IR one.

This is a highly nuanced topic, dunno if it fits here on a Bangladeshi sub forum. Or what its even doing here in the first place.

Cheers, Doc

Doc I always wanted to ask you that when the shah was there for 40 odd years and they made him Arya Mehr and the most powerful man in the entire Middle East and the US favored him even more than Israel back then.

He had whatever he wanted, anything he wished for……

Even then the Iranians threw him out!

This is the real dichotomy of reason.

Iran was the most powerful and most influential back then, and lo n behold it still is the most powerful and far more influential today.

This makes no sense!

I’ve told you before…….irani pagal hain. Ain’t nothing good enough bhai…..aap kuch bhee kar lo.

Iran is a fatalist culture, just like the hillbilly.

Incidentally one hillbilly friend of mine quipped recently that Pezeshkian looks like us. How could he be Muslim?…..

 

[Vsdoc]

Doc I always wanted to ask you that when the shah was there for 40 odd years and they made him Arya Mehr and the most powerful man in the entire Middle East and the US favored him even more than Israel back then.

He had whatever he wanted, anything he wished for……

Even then the Iranians threw him out!

This is the real dichotomy of reason.

Iran was the most powerful and most influential back then, and lo n behold it still is the most powerful and far more influential today.

This makes no sense!

I’ve told you before…….irani pagal hain. Ain’t nothing good enough bhai…..aap kuch bhee kar lo.

Iran is a fatalist culture, just like the hillbilly.

Incidentally one hillbilly friend of mine quipped recently that Pezeshkian looks like us. How could he be Muslim?…..

The Shah or any other personality is not going to change Iran. The Persian people have a genetic God switch. Its happened once. It will happen again.

Iran has a history of monarchy and centralized power. Iran does empires. It does not do kingdoms, like India for example.

When Iran switches, its empire switches. Including all its satrapies. For 500 years Zoroastrianism was the state religion of Rome.

I hate to say this, because 1) I know you are Muslim, and 2) I know it will mean a great bloodletting of my own bloodlines, but I cannot shake this feeling of foreboding that is hanging over me like a dark cloud, over the last decade and a half, that a massive avenging fire, a hungry fire, is headed towards engulfing the middle east. Specifically Iran.

It will be a cataclysmic epochal event not different to Al Qadissiya.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Lulldapull]

The Shah or any other personality is not going to change Iran. The Persian people have a genetic God switch. Its happened once. It will happen again.

Iran has a history of monarchy and centralized power. Iran does empires. It does not do kingdoms, like India for example.

When Iran switches, its empire switches. Including all its satrapies. For 500 years Zoroastrianism was the state religion of Rome.

I hate to say this, because 1) I know you are Muslim, and 2) I know it will mean a great bloodletting of my own bloodlines, but I cannot shake this feeling of foreboding that is hanging over me like a dark cloud, over the last decade and a half, that a massive avenging fire, a hungry fire, is headed towards engulfing the middle east. Specifically Iran.

It will be a cataclysmic epochal event not different to Al Qadissiya.

Cheers, Doc

One thing is for sure doc…..Semitic religion is a done deal bhai.

Sub khatam!

We need to be very careful about this unfolding drama in our country or we’re going to Balkanize in short order.

Without Islam we’re not going to survive and you know it.

Our establishment is still secular and they promote this culture of religion because the alternative is Balkanization bhai.

It’s the same in most other Muslim countries and I’m telling you if it’s not promoted then theys goin be gone within a few weeks or months.

I wonder if the US is talking to Iran behind the scenes on the situ.

Iran hasn’t lost anything yet…..the war is on like donkey Kong…..no problem there, but I know that I’ve yet to meet a religious Irani person.

At their core, they’re still Zartosht…I see it. I know lots of em…..totally secular bhai, but they can’t drop the act, or the millions of proxies will all get disillusioned.

Good luck finding millions willing to give their lives for you then.

You need to understand the situation Irans always in.

If you pledge allegiance…..they’ll back you. Don’t matter your religion. It’s just been like this for almost 3 millennia.

Iran chhorray ga nahi Israel ko ab, cuz now it’s a matter of honor.

 

[TheNewb77]

 

[Vsdoc]

One thing is for sure doc…..Semitic religion is a done deal bhai.

Sub khatam!

We need to be very careful about this unfolding drama in our country or we’re going to Balkanize in short order.

Without Islam we’re not going to survive and you know it.

Our establishment is still secular and they promote this culture of religion because the alternative is Balkanization bhai.

It’s the same in most other Muslim countries and I’m telling you if it’s not promoted then theys goin be gone within a few weeks or months.

I wonder if the US is talking to Iran behind the scenes on the situ.

Iran hasn’t lost anything yet…..the war is on like donkey Kong…..no problem there, but I know that I’ve yet to meet a religious Irani person.

At their core, they’re still Zartosht…I see it. I know lots of em…..totally secular bhai, but they can’t drop the act, or the millions of proxies will all get disillusioned.

Good luck finding millions willing to give their lives for you then.

You need to understand the situation Irans always in.

If you pledge allegiance…..they’ll back you. Don’t matter your religion. It’s just been like this for almost 3 millennia.

Iran chhorray ga nahi Israel ko ab, cuz now it’s a matter of honor.

Very good points bhai.

 

[Saif]

Lebanon urges DNA tests to identify missing in Israel strikes

Lebanese authorities on Monday urged the families of people who went missing in Israeli strikes to conduct DNA tests at specialised centres to identify the remains of loved ones

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Lebanon urges DNA tests to identify missing in Israel strikes

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Lebanese authorities on Monday urged the families of people who went missing in Israeli strikes to conduct DNA tests at specialised centres to identify the remains of loved ones.

"To help families of those who went missing following the Israeli aggression on Lebanon and to make the process of identifying victims and their remains smoother," families should head to centres affiliated with the Judicial Police "to conduct DNA tests", the police said in a statement.

For the past week, Israel has heavily bombed the country's east, south and southern Beirut suburbs, killing hundreds of people and displacing up to one million.

The escalation comes on the heels of nearly one year of cross-border fire with Israel that Hezbollah says is in support of ally Hamas, whose October 7 attack on Israel triggered war in Gaza.

On Friday, Israel killed Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah in Beirut's southern suburbs -- a strike Lebanon said killed six people, without identifying them.

On Saturday, Health Minister Firas Abiad said bodies and body parts were still under the rubble.

Social media users have called for help finding missing relatives, while an AFP correspondent in southern Lebanon reported hospital morgues were filled with unidentified remains.

Since mid-September, Israeli strikes on across Lebanon have killed more than 1,000 people, authorities said.​

 

[Saif]

Hezbollah vows to keep fighting Israel after Nasrallah killing

Hezbollah vowed on Monday to keep fighting Israel and said it was ready to face any ground operation into Lebanon, after its leader was killed in an air strike that dealt the group a seismic blow...

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Hezbollah vows to keep fighting Israel after Nasrallah killing
Agence France-Presse . Beirut 30 September, 2024, 23:37

Smoke rises from the site of an Israeli airstrike that targeted the southern Lebanese village of Khiam on Monday. | AFP photo

Hezbollah vowed on Monday to keep fighting Israel and said it was ready to face any ground operation into Lebanon, after its leader was killed in an air strike that dealt the group a seismic blow.

Meanwhile, Hamas says the leader of its Lebanese group has been killed by Israeli air strikes in southern Lebanon, reports BBConline.

In a televised address, the Iran-backed group’s deputy chief Naim Qassem said a new leader to replace Hassan Nasrallah, who enjoyed cult status among his supporters, would be selected ‘at the earliest opportunity’.

He also said the group was ready for any Israeli ground offensive, even though Israel’s bombardment of its strongholds has in the past week killed a large number of its top commanders and officials.

Hezbollah began low-intensity cross-border strikes on Israeli troops a day after its Palestinian ally Hamas staged its unprecedented attack on Israel on October 7, triggering war in the Gaza Strip.

Israel said earlier this month that it was shifting its focus from Gaza to securing its northern border with Lebanon, in order to allow Israelis displaced since October to return to their homes.

It has also not ruled out a ground offensive in order to achieve its goals.

Israel’s strikes on Lebanon have killed hundreds and forced hundreds of thousands more to flee their homes, and left people across the region fearful of more violence to come.

Qassem said Hezbollah would continue ‘confronting the Israeli enemy in support of Gaza and Palestine, in defence of Lebanon and its people, and in response to the assassinations and the killing of civilians’.

Warning that any battle with Israel would be long, he said: ‘We will face any scenario and we are ready if Israel decides to enter by land, the resistance forces are ready for any ground confrontation.’

On the other side of the border, Israel’s defence minister Yoav Gallant told troops: ‘The elimination of Nasrallah is an important step, but it is not the final one.’

‘In order to ensure the return of Israel’s northern communities, we will employ all of our capabilities, and this includes you,’ he said.

Most of Israel’s strikes have targeted Hezbollah strongholds in eastern and southern Lebanon and the southern suburbs of Beirut, the group’s main bastion.

On Monday, a drone strike hit a building in the Cola district in central Beirut, with an armed Palestinian group saying it had killed three of its members.

The strike, the first in the centre of the city in years, sparked panic, with 41-year-old resident Mohammed al-Hoss saying ‘the kids were in shock’ after his house was damaged.

‘We are with Gaza and support the Palestinian cause, but our country cannot cope with us going to war,’ he said.

‘Our country is in a wretched state. They (Israel) finished with Gaza and they have come to Lebanon.’

Lebanon’s health ministry also reported the strike, saying it had killed four people and wounded four others. Israel has yet to comment.

Palestinian Islamist group Hamas later announced that its leader in Lebanon, Fatah Sharif Abu al-Amine, had been killed along with his wife and two children in another strike on Al-Bass refugee camp in south Lebanon.

The Israeli military confirmed it had ‘eliminated’ Sharif in a strike.

Lebanon’s health ministry said six rescuers affiliated with Hezbollah were killed in an Israeli strike Monday.

Around Lebanon, Israeli strikes killed more than 100 people on Sunday, including 45 near the southern city of Sidon, according to the ministry.

Lebanon’s health minister Firass Abiad said Saturday that 1,030 people including 87 children had been killed since September 16.

UN refugee agency chief Filippo Grandi said ‘well over 2,00,000 people are displaced inside Lebanon’, while more than 1,00,000 have fled to neighbouring Syria.

Prime minister Najib Mikati said up to one million people may have been uprooted, in potentially the ‘largest displacement movement’ in Lebanon’s history.

The violence in Lebanon has raised fears of a much wider conflagration in the region.

On Monday, the Israeli army said it ‘successfully intercepted a suspicious aerial target that crossed from Lebanon into Israeli territory’.

Israel said it also carried out strikes on Sunday targeting Iran-backed Huthis in Yemen that the rebels said killed four people and wounded 33.

The raids in Yemen came a day after the Huthis said they launched a missile at Israel’s Ben Gurion airport, trying to hit it as prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu was returning from New York.

Iran has said Nasrallah’s killing would bring about Israel’s ‘destruction’, though the foreign ministry said Monday it would not deploy any fighters to confront Israel.

Lebanon began a three-day national mourning period for Nasrallah on Monday, with flags flying at half-mast.

In Israel, some had mixed feelings about the Hezbollah chief’s killing.

‘Nasrallah was responsible for the deaths of many Israelis, so it is good news,’ said Matan Sofer, 24, in the northern town of Rosh Pina.

‘But do we risk it getting worse, who knows?’

World leaders have called for a de-escalation.

French foreign minister Jean-Noel Barrot met with the Lebanese premier in Beirut Monday, and said his government sought ‘an immediate halt’ in the strikes.

He is the first high-level foreign diplomat to visit since the Israeli strikes intensified.

US president Joe Biden, whose government is Israel’s top arms supplier, said Sunday a wider war ‘really has to be avoided’.

In Gaza, AFP journalists said the number of air strikes across the territory has dropped significantly in recent days.

Hamas’s unprecedented October 7 attack on Israel resulted in the deaths of 1,205 people, mostly civilians, according to an AFP tally based on Israeli official figures that include hostages killed in captivity.

Israel’s retaliatory military offensive has killed at least 41,615 people in Gaza, most of them civilians, according to figures provided by the Hamas-run territory’s health ministry. The UN has described the figures as reliable.​

 

[Saif]

Hezbollah says it is ready for any Israeli land invasion in Lebanon

Hezbollah’s deputy leader Naim Qassem, in his first public address since Israel assassinated the group’s chief Hassan Nasrallah last week, said the movement is ready to confront any Israeli ground invasion of Lebanon. Israel will not achieve its goals, he said. “We will face any

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Hezbollah says it is ready for any Israeli land invasion in Lebanon
REUTERS
Published :
Sep 30, 2024 17:09
Updated :
Sep 30, 2024 17:10

People inspect the damage at the site of Sunday's Israeli attack on the city of Ain Deleb, amid the ongoing hostilities between Hezbollah and Israeli forces, in southern Lebanon September 30, 2024. Photo : REUTERS/Aziz Taher

Hezbollah’s deputy leader Naim Qassem, in his first public address since Israel assassinated the group’s chief Hassan Nasrallah last week, said the movement is ready to confront any Israeli ground invasion of Lebanon.

Israel will not achieve its goals, he said.

“We will face any possibility and we are ready if the Israelis decide to enter by land and the resistance forces are ready for a ground engagement,” he said.

Israeli forces have dealt multiple blows to Hezbollah in a two-week wave of attacks on targets in Lebanon that has eliminated several commanders. The possibility that Israel’s next move might be to send ground troops and tanks over the border is on many minds.

In other developments, the Palestinian militant group Hamas said an Israeli airstrike killed its leader in Lebanon in the city of Tyre on Monday, and another Palestinian organisation said three of its leaders died in a strike in central Beirut - the first such hit inside the capital’s limits.

The killings were the latest in a wave of intensified Israeli attacks on militant targets in Lebanon, part of a conflict also stretching from the Palestinian territories of Gaza and the occupied West Bank, to Yemen, and within Israel itself.

Hamas said its leader in Lebanon, Fateh Sherif Abu el-Amin was killed along with his wife, son and daughter, in a strike that targeted their house in a refugee camp in the southern city of Tyre in the early hours of Monday.

Another group, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), said three of its leaders were killed in a strike that targeted Beirut’s Kola district.

This was the first time Israel had struck Beirut beyond its southern suburbs in a campaign which culminated in the assassination of Hezbollah’s veteran leader Hassan Nasrallah last week in a succession of heavy air strikes.

The strike against the PFLP hit the upper floor of an apartment building, Reuters witnesses said. There was no immediate comment from the Israeli military.

The latest attacks indicated Israel has no intention of slowing down its offensive on multiple fronts even after eliminating Nasrallah, who was Iran’s most powerful ally in its “Axis of Resistance” against Israeli and U.S. influence in the region.

Israel’s intensified attacks against the Iran-backed Hezbollah in Lebanon and Houthi forces in Yemen have prompted fears that Middle East fighting could spin out of control and draw in Iran and the United States, Israel’s main ally.

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Nasser Kanaani said Tehran would not leave any of Israel’s “criminal acts” go unanswered. He was referring to the killing of Nasrallah and an Iranian Guard deputy commander, Brigadier General Abbas Nilforoushan, who died in the same strikes on Friday.

Lebanon’s Health Ministry says more than 1,000 Lebanese have been killed and 6,000 wounded in the past two weeks, without specifying how many were civilians. One million people - a fifth of the population - have fled their homes, the government says.

The escalation has put Beirut on edge, with Lebanese fearful that Israel will expand its military campaign.

“There is nothing else to say or add, except God save Lebanon,” Beirut resident Nawel said. “What will happen to me is the same as what can happen to anyone.”​