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If Indians stop interfering in our internal affairs, there will be no conflict with them. We are a peaceful nation and don't want to wage a war against any of our neighbors.
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Please provide the references of your claim.
Trust me bro.
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this small clip has all the answers on needs to know what actually happning in Pakistan and Bangladesh and why in its core ... cheers doc
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Small clip?
44 min bhai.
Sankshipt mein batane ka kasht karein.
Itna time to main biking ya cycling ya Congress ke videos pe bhi nahin spend karta.
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unki pund mari hui hai, very shaky ground
and hum log theek hain, even if our corrupt to the bone La Dinastia scum still roam free with Z+ skorti.
We have much to learn from our warts.
Humble rehne ka, warna.. next thingy you know.. whole lot get put on boats and set adrift
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India must be given a strong message about Sheikh Hasina
If relations between Bangladesh and India are good, both countries stand to benefit. The trust that had waned, must be revived
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India must be given a strong message about Sheikh Hasina
Given the new regional geopolitical realities that loom large, there really is no alternative but to focus on improving relations between the two neighbouring countries.
ANM Muniruzzaman
Published: 11 Dec 2024, 09: 43
Indian foreign secretary Vikram Misri meets Chief Adviser to the interim government Dr Muhammad Yunus at the state guesthouse Jamuna in Dhaka on 9 December 2024. Collected
Bangladesh-India relations feature significantly where Bangladesh’s foreign relations are concerned. We are neighbouring states. Relations between the two countries have turned cold after the exit of Sheikh Hasina from power and there is no sign of any thaw. Quite to the contrary, things are deteriorating by the day. Tensions run high between the two countries.
Certain recent events have added a new dimension to these tensions. Bangladesh’s deputy high commission in Tripura came under attack. This goes against the Vienna Convention. And the India media is spewing out vitriol about Bangladesh. India television channels are presenting false and instigative reports about Bangladesh. This is complicating the prevailing situation further.
Radical changes have come about in Bangladesh in the post-Monsoon Revolution period. India cannot correctly read this historic change. That is why till date they have been unable to accept the new situation in Bangladesh.
If we study the relations between Bangladesh and India, we will see that for the past 16 years India has been singularly supporting one political party, Awami League, and its leader Sheikh Hasina. To a great extent, it was this support that made it possible for Sheikh Hasina to carry on with her autocratic rule for the past 16 years. Yet from an observer level we have been repeatedly saying that in the case of relations between the two countries, it is the people who must be given priority.
The wrong policies of India’s policymakers have always provoked an adverse attitude towards India among the people. As neighbouring states, we have to live by each other and it is not possible to change this geographical reality. It is essential to have an effective and dignified relationship in the interests of the people and the state. We see no alternative to this. Given the new regional geopolitical realities that loom large, there really is no alternative but to focus on improving relations between the two neighbouring countries.
Bangladesh has not taken effective measures concerning the manner in which disinformation is being spread by India’s new media, social media and political quarters. Slogans on the streets or issuing statements will not prevent disinformation
Bangladesh has to take measures in this regard too. The sort of initiative that was needed to be taken by Bangladesh’s high commission and deputy high commission in India, is not visible. We see no initiative to counter the false information being generated in India. There is no high commissioner in the Bangladesh high commission in Delhi at present. There is bound to be a fallout of not having any leadership in such an important high commission.
Our foreign ministry has been working in a rather lackadaisical manner over the past few months. Our foreign policy needed to be dynamic in the post-revolution reality, but it has fallen short. They still function in a routine manner with no sign of any new initiative. We should rev up our foreign policy and foreign affairs activities, particularly with states where our relations are sensitive and important.
Amidst this lack of trust between Bangladesh and India, a meeting between the foreign secretaries of the two countries has been held in Dhaka. We hope this initiative is taken forward. Diplomatic communications between the two countries is more essential than any time before. I had said in the media previously, if a special envoy was sent on behalf of India to Bangladesh that would help in defusing the tensions between the two countries. Similarly Bangladesh can send a special envoy to India in an attempt to step up relations between the two countries.
In recent times we see Indian leaders making all sorts of provocative statements. That is leading to bitterness between the two countries. Under such circumstances, a wrong step can be taken at any time. That is why our diplomacy needs to be more dynamic, innovative and strong. We must enhance our diplomatic relations, while upholding national interests and dignity.
Outside of diplomacy too, fresh communications and dialogue can be taken up on a political level too. That can be in Dhaka, Delhi or even in a third country.
An effort was made to convey our problems and concerns to the Indian foreign secretary. It depends on India how much importance will be given to this. But the Indian foreign ministry website has given very lackluster coverage to this. It just says various issues were discussed. From Bangladesh’s foreign ministry statements we learn that discussions were held on border killings, river waters, provocative speech, fake news and disinformation, Sheikh Hasina’s statements and activities in India. None of this was accurately mentioned on the Indian foreign ministry website.
Bangladesh has not taken effective measures concerning the manner in which disinformation is being spread by India’s new media, social media and political quarters. Slogans on the streets or issuing statements will not prevent disinformation. There is a scientific way to go about this. Yet we see no visible measures from the foreign ministry or the government to tackle this disinformation.
Toppled in the Monsoon Revolution, Sheikh Hasina is sitting in India, spewing out all sorts of statements and speeches. If Sheikh Hasina is carrying out a campaign from India to create instability in Bangladesh, we have to take firm measures to prevent this. A very clear message must be delivered to India that such misdeeds of Hasina are totally unacceptable. The manner in which Sheikh Hasina is communicating with her leaders and activists in Bangladesh is a threat to our internal peace and order. India must definitely take measures to halt this.
If relations between Bangladesh and India are good, both countries stand to benefit. The trust that had waned, must be revived. It is the people of the two countries that must be given priority in the area of mutual relations.
* Major General ANM Muniruzzaman (retd) is president of the Bangladesh Institute of Peace and Security Studies (BIPSS)
* This column appeared in the print and online edition of Prothom Alo and has been rewritten for the English edition by Ayesha Kabir
Given the new regional geopolitical realities that loom large, there really is no alternative but to focus on improving relations between the two neighbouring countries.
ANM Muniruzzaman
Published: 11 Dec 2024, 09: 43
Indian foreign secretary Vikram Misri meets Chief Adviser to the interim government Dr Muhammad Yunus at the state guesthouse Jamuna in Dhaka on 9 December 2024. Collected
Bangladesh-India relations feature significantly where Bangladesh’s foreign relations are concerned. We are neighbouring states. Relations between the two countries have turned cold after the exit of Sheikh Hasina from power and there is no sign of any thaw. Quite to the contrary, things are deteriorating by the day. Tensions run high between the two countries.
Certain recent events have added a new dimension to these tensions. Bangladesh’s deputy high commission in Tripura came under attack. This goes against the Vienna Convention. And the India media is spewing out vitriol about Bangladesh. India television channels are presenting false and instigative reports about Bangladesh. This is complicating the prevailing situation further.
Radical changes have come about in Bangladesh in the post-Monsoon Revolution period. India cannot correctly read this historic change. That is why till date they have been unable to accept the new situation in Bangladesh.
If we study the relations between Bangladesh and India, we will see that for the past 16 years India has been singularly supporting one political party, Awami League, and its leader Sheikh Hasina. To a great extent, it was this support that made it possible for Sheikh Hasina to carry on with her autocratic rule for the past 16 years. Yet from an observer level we have been repeatedly saying that in the case of relations between the two countries, it is the people who must be given priority.
The wrong policies of India’s policymakers have always provoked an adverse attitude towards India among the people. As neighbouring states, we have to live by each other and it is not possible to change this geographical reality. It is essential to have an effective and dignified relationship in the interests of the people and the state. We see no alternative to this. Given the new regional geopolitical realities that loom large, there really is no alternative but to focus on improving relations between the two neighbouring countries.
Bangladesh has not taken effective measures concerning the manner in which disinformation is being spread by India’s new media, social media and political quarters. Slogans on the streets or issuing statements will not prevent disinformation
Bangladesh has to take measures in this regard too. The sort of initiative that was needed to be taken by Bangladesh’s high commission and deputy high commission in India, is not visible. We see no initiative to counter the false information being generated in India. There is no high commissioner in the Bangladesh high commission in Delhi at present. There is bound to be a fallout of not having any leadership in such an important high commission.
Our foreign ministry has been working in a rather lackadaisical manner over the past few months. Our foreign policy needed to be dynamic in the post-revolution reality, but it has fallen short. They still function in a routine manner with no sign of any new initiative. We should rev up our foreign policy and foreign affairs activities, particularly with states where our relations are sensitive and important.
Amidst this lack of trust between Bangladesh and India, a meeting between the foreign secretaries of the two countries has been held in Dhaka. We hope this initiative is taken forward. Diplomatic communications between the two countries is more essential than any time before. I had said in the media previously, if a special envoy was sent on behalf of India to Bangladesh that would help in defusing the tensions between the two countries. Similarly Bangladesh can send a special envoy to India in an attempt to step up relations between the two countries.
In recent times we see Indian leaders making all sorts of provocative statements. That is leading to bitterness between the two countries. Under such circumstances, a wrong step can be taken at any time. That is why our diplomacy needs to be more dynamic, innovative and strong. We must enhance our diplomatic relations, while upholding national interests and dignity.
Outside of diplomacy too, fresh communications and dialogue can be taken up on a political level too. That can be in Dhaka, Delhi or even in a third country.
An effort was made to convey our problems and concerns to the Indian foreign secretary. It depends on India how much importance will be given to this. But the Indian foreign ministry website has given very lackluster coverage to this. It just says various issues were discussed. From Bangladesh’s foreign ministry statements we learn that discussions were held on border killings, river waters, provocative speech, fake news and disinformation, Sheikh Hasina’s statements and activities in India. None of this was accurately mentioned on the Indian foreign ministry website.
Bangladesh has not taken effective measures concerning the manner in which disinformation is being spread by India’s new media, social media and political quarters. Slogans on the streets or issuing statements will not prevent disinformation. There is a scientific way to go about this. Yet we see no visible measures from the foreign ministry or the government to tackle this disinformation.
Toppled in the Monsoon Revolution, Sheikh Hasina is sitting in India, spewing out all sorts of statements and speeches. If Sheikh Hasina is carrying out a campaign from India to create instability in Bangladesh, we have to take firm measures to prevent this. A very clear message must be delivered to India that such misdeeds of Hasina are totally unacceptable. The manner in which Sheikh Hasina is communicating with her leaders and activists in Bangladesh is a threat to our internal peace and order. India must definitely take measures to halt this.
If relations between Bangladesh and India are good, both countries stand to benefit. The trust that had waned, must be revived. It is the people of the two countries that must be given priority in the area of mutual relations.
* Major General ANM Muniruzzaman (retd) is president of the Bangladesh Institute of Peace and Security Studies (BIPSS)
* This column appeared in the print and online edition of Prothom Alo and has been rewritten for the English edition by Ayesha Kabir
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Decision makers in both countries know very well the consequence of such thoughtless actions. No one in either country wants this, except some blowhard mudslinger extremists.
In both countries - there are far, far more immediate and urgent challenges to solve for the betterment of both our peoples, instead of this vote-getting tomfoolery. IMHO - BJP has made their point to strengthen their vote-base. Case closed.
And Bangladesh is already gearing back up to lead the subcontinent as the fastest growing economy, that is the first priority in Bangladesh.
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Please use Google. I have other things to attend to ATM unfortunately.
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well in short
1. those who wanted to make pakistan satyed back in India
2. the ones who were biggest champions of doing ground work and agitation of pakistan are the biggest victims ..... then be it
a) punjabi christains who marked rich hindu properties for muslim mobs are now most hunted and abused religious minority in Pakistan
b) Ahemdies did all the beurocratic work so that hindu& sikh majority Lahore and surrounding area comes into pakistan and look at there situation in pakistan today they are not even considerred muslims
c) it was Bengali muslims which started masacrre or Hindus in calcutta of 14-8-1946 and later Rajshai and noakhali and later rest of EAST BENGAL to raise the deamnd of Pakistan and what did they get in 1970 at hands of Bihari Muslim and Razakar armies and West Pakistani army
d) Shia muslims of UP and all urdu speaking muslims that voted almost 90% in favour of making of pakistan in 1946 are sitill called MOHAJIRS and hated by Punjabies , Balouchies and Pakhtoons alike
3. Those ruling Pakistan have no sense of love or responsibility towars either the population or the land or even the state they just want to loot and scoot and its been going on since inception
4. biggest problem for bangladesh is they are clueless and more importantly dont know the real objective of there main opposition with India
5. the main cash industry of bangladesh was garment manfacturing and no all that has come back to India and rest gone to vietnam and sri lanka
and no matter how much they want India will now never own Bangladesh like before
anything else ... cheers doc
well in short
1. those who wanted to make pakistan satyed back in India
2. the ones who were biggest champions of doing ground work and agitation of pakistan are the biggest victims ..... then be it
a) punjabi christains who marked rich hindu properties for muslim mobs are now most hunted and abused religious minority in Pakistan
b) Ahemdies did all the beurocratic work so that hindu& sikh majority Lahore and surrounding area comes into pakistan and look at there situation in pakistan today they are not even considerred muslims
c) it was Bengali muslims which started masacrre or Hindus in calcutta of 14-8-1946 and later Rajshai and noakhali and later rest of EAST BENGAL to raise the deamnd of Pakistan and what did they get in 1970 at hands of Bihari Muslim and Razakar armies and West Pakistani army
d) Shia muslims of UP and all urdu speaking muslims that voted almost 90% in favour of making of pakistan in 1946 are sitill called MOHAJIRS and hated by Punjabies , Balouchies and Pakhtoons alike
3. Those ruling Pakistan have no sense of love or responsibility towars either the population or the land or even the state they just want to loot and scoot and its been going on since inception
4. biggest problem for bangladesh is they are clueless and more importantly dont know the real objective of there main opposition with India
5. the main cash industry of bangladesh was garment manfacturing and no all that has come back to India and rest gone to vietnam and sri lanka
and no matter how much they want India will now never own Bangladesh like before
anything else ... cheers doc
This is a good summary Guru.
I still maintain that even historically, the Bengali Muslim population was more vicious than the Punjabi and Sindhi Muslims.
Also, the posh Bengali Hindu population was simply not up to the task.
Also, if you see Pakistani Punjabis and Indian Punjabis, they are quite obviously the same people.
But if you see our Bengalis and you see Bangladeshis, there is a distinct difference in looks, features, morphology, anthropological differences.
I put Joe on the spot once (offline) about it, and after squirming for a bit (quite a lot, verbosity etc.) he attempted to school me in the differences.
There are basically 3 distinct type of Bangladeshis, and none of the 3 are similar to Bengalis, save for the language (even there the dialects are totally distinct).
So its not just a matter if conversion here as with the Punjab side.
I think there waa a deeper pre-existing socio-cultural, even racial/ethnic divide, where on which was superimposed the Hindu caste structure.
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But if you see our Bengalis and you see Bangladeshis, there is a distinct difference in looks, features, morphology, anthropological differences.
I put Joe on the spot once (offline) about it, and after squirming for a bit (quite a lot, verbosity etc.) he attempted to school me in the differences.
There are basically 3 distinct type of Bangladeshis, and none of the 3 are similar to Bengalis, save for the language (even there the dialects are totally distinct).
So its not just a matter if conversion here as with the Punjab side.
I think there waa a deeper pre-existing socio-cultural, even racial/ethnic divide, where on which was superimposed the Hindu caste structure.
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well Doc thing is
1. There are three levels of Bengalies or there were three levels of Bengali hindus in united british east and west bengal
a)feudal & rich hindu Jamindars who were basically Thakurs and a very few of them Brahmins and were less than 1-2% of united british bengals hindu population
b) educated bhramin and mixed bhrmo smaji and bengali kayasta and baniya hidus and some middle class educated christians mostly converted bengalies and biharies they had almost 20-24% in hindu population in united bengal
c) this had almost 75% of the hindu bengali population and were mostly lower caste and were farmers and landless labourers and fishermen or those working in industrial units in urban areas while others doing odd jobs in and around urban areas
combined population of Hindus in undivided bengal was almost 62% which after three british made famines and partition related riots came down to almost 49% of which 40% was in west bengal and rest in east pakistan or bangladesh or east bengal of british india
as for Punjabi or bengali or Urdu speaking or even Irani well a Muslim once he is close to 50% of population in a non muslim majority nation he will start massacrre of so called KAFIRs then be it undivided Punjab or Bengal or sindh or Kashmir or for that matter any part of the world ......
. there is either DAR UL IMAN or DAR UL HARAB .... either you are a Muslim or you are a Kafir and there is only two choices for Kafir in a musim ruled nation
1. convert
2.go away or get killed
that is what hapenned in persia 1100 years ago or 1000 years ago in Afghanistan or to Hindus in 1947 in east or west pakistan or in 1970-71 to hindu bengalies and now they will get the same treatment or are getting the same treatment in bangladesh ....... its faliure of indians that we are keeping these bangladeshi and rohingyas muslims in india
Why did more Hindus than Muslims (compared to their overall population share figure) die in the Bengal famines?
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