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How Op Sindoor exposed Pakistan air defence, Chinese armaments​

The operation serves a warning to nations relying on Chinese military hardware as India's advanced capabilities continue to reshape the regional power balance​

Pakistan's military vehicles carrying missiles Nasr (R) and Babur (L) take part in the military parade to mark Pakistan's National Day in Islamabad on March 25, 2021. (Photo by Aamir Qureshi / AFP)


Pradip R. Sagar
UPDATED: Jun 10, 2025 18:37 IST
Edited By: Ashish Mukherjee

In Short​

• India's Operation Sindoor exposed major flaws in Pakistan's air defence systems.
• Pakistani HQ-9 and HQ-16 missiles failed against India's BrahMos and SCALP missiles.
• Chinese analysts criticised Pakistan's poor training and system integration.

India’s decisive strategic and operational triumph in Operation Sindoor has laid bare critical weaknesses in Pakistan’s military, which is heavily reliant on Chinese-supplied technology. A month after the conflict, which ended with Pakistan seeking a ceasefire within four days, a critical review of the operation has highlighted the inadequacy of Pakistan’s air defence systems, particularly the Chinese-made HQ-9 and HQ-16, against India’s advanced missile technology and electronic warfare capabilities.

Military observers claim Pakistan’s $3 million-per-unit HQ-9 surface-to-air missile system, touted as a cornerstone of its air defence, failed miserably to detect or intercept India’s BrahMos and SCALP missiles.

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Chinese defence analysts and social media lambasted Pakistani personnel as “mute spectators”, pointing to operational inefficiencies and lack of skill as key contributors to the debacle.

Analysis also established that Indian forces, leveraging superior missile technology, satellite intelligence and electronic warfare, penetrated Pakistan’s defences with ease, targeting key military installations. Indian loitering munitions humiliated Pakistan’s air defence network by destroying several HQ-9 batteries, exacerbating losses of fighter jets, surveillance aircraft, drones and radar sites


On May 15, Air Vice Marshal Aurangzeb Ahmed of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) admitted that the BrahMos missile’s unpredictable trajectory rendered it nearly impossible to intercept, a statement echoed by Chinese Communist Party outlets. The HQ-9’s failure stemmed from technical limitations, poor integration into Pakistan’s defence network and inadequate operator training.

Chinese analysts have criticised Pakistan's deployment of the HQ-9 air defence system, citing inadequate training, poor network integration, and lack of real-time coordination as key factors in its failure. The HQ-9's design, influenced by older Russian systems like the S-300, has raised concerns about its reliability against modern, high-speed missiles.

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Despite upgrades, the system underperformed against Indian missile technology, sparking doubts about Chinese defence exports' credibility and the HQ-9's effectiveness in high-intensity conflicts.

This critique highlights the challenges of deploying advanced defence systems, particularly when training and integration are inadequate. The HQ-9's performance has implications for China's defence export reputation and the system's viability in modern warfare scenarios.

The HQ-9B, with a reduced engagement range of 250-300 km, and the truck-mounted HQ-16, with limited mobility, proved ill-equipped to counter supersonic, low-flying missiles like the BrahMos. These shortcomings echo past failures, including India’s unopposed 2019 Balakot airstrike and a 2022 incident where a BrahMos missile, accidentally fired by India, penetrated deep into Pakistani territory undetected.

Operation Sindoor also saw India’s air defence systems and electronic warfare capabilities neutralise Pakistan’s drone fleet, crippling its offensive and surveillance operations. In response, Pakistan is planning to bolster its drone arsenal with Chinese Wing Loong series combat drones, aiming to establish a dedicated drone brigade.

Stung by the defeat, Pakistan is aggressively pursuing military modernisation, doubling down on Chinese and Turkish technology while diversifying with a $9 billion arms deal with Russia. The proposed Russian package includes tanks, air defence systems, warships, Mi-26T2 combat helicopters, and possibly MiG-35 fighter jets.

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Pakistan is also set to acquire China’s HQ-19 ballistic missile defence system and 40 J-35A stealth fighters starting 2026, alongside efforts to improve operator training and coordination to address multi-layered threats.

The HQ-9’s dismal performance has not only exposed Pakistan’s operational deficiencies but also dented China’s reputation as a reliable arms exporter. Modelled partly on Russia’s S-300, the HQ-9 and its variants have been questioned for their effectiveness against modern, high-speed, precision-guided missiles, raising doubts about their reliability in high-intensity conflicts.

India’s dominance in Operation Sindoor underscores its technological and strategic edge even as Pakistan scrambles to rebuild its shattered defences. The conflict serves as a warning to nations relying on Chinese military hardware as India’s advanced capabilities continue to reshape the regional power balance.

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[Sharma Ji]

Russian bike enthusiast test drives Bajaj pulsar 200 and Chinese Lifan 200.

He Says that if Chinese bike improves breaking, handling and engine performance, it can be a bike for beginners.

He said that pulsar is highly maneuverable. It is a dream bike. If a thought comes in your mind to turn the bike, it takes turn. Excellent breaking. This bike is for hooliganism. The only issue with the bike is that you crash it in enthusiasm of fast driving. No comparison between the two. He said Pulsar 200 has Japanese and German quality at Chinese price.

The difference between substandard Chinese quality and world beating Indian quality.

@Vsdoc

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Pantagon report on substandard Chinese weapons.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

The most important aspect of this conflict was that after the first skirmish on 6 th might, India exercise total air dominance. When Indian planes air born on 9 th and 10 th, none of the Pakistani plane airborne to counter Indian planes which bombed 11 Pakistani air base, 9 other small airbases, 2 nuke sites because India exercise SEAD, Suppression of enemy air defence. Forget about shooting Indian planes, the didn't air born to counter Indian planes. The reason is Chinese planes. What is the role of Chinese planes in war? You need to arrange to hide them.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

J 10 and JF 17 couldn't even airborne on 9 th and 10th to counter massive Indian Air attack which demolished 11 Pakistani air bases. Pakistan shift them far away and hide them to save them from the attack of mighty Indian planes. On 7th, What J10c could target was sand of Rajasthan. 5 PL 15s found u exploded. They are dismantled and data is share with Japan and US. China has requested to return it citing UN convention. Great humiliation of China as usual.

We have successfully tested long range anti ship hyper sonic cruise missile. We shall target Chinese ships in South China sea from Indian soil.

Stop making those jumk ships. We shall require only one missile to send them to the bottom of the see like your nuke submarine which is resting in the bottom of the sea.

 

[Jiangnan]

J 10 and JF 17 couldn't even airborne on 9 th and 10th to counter massive Indian Air attack which demolished 11 Pakistani air bases. Pakistan shift them far away and hide them to save them from the attack of mighty Indian planes. On 7th, What J10c could target was sand of Rajasthan. 5 PL 15s found u exploded. They are dismantled and data is share with Japan and US. China has requested to return it citing UN convention. Great humiliation of China as usual.

We have successfully tested long range anti ship hyper sonic cruise missile. We shall target Chinese ships in South China sea from Indian soil.

Stop making those jumk ships. We shall require only one missile to send them to the bottom of the see like your nuke submarine which is resting in the bottom of the sea.

"China has requested to return it citing UN convention. Great humiliation of China as usual." ~Source?

btw.India is just a colony of China. I am not looking down upon Indians. You just don't understand. The J-10C, as China's most outdated fighter jet, is about to retire. But it is enough to shoot down Rafale fighter jets.

Perhaps Indians need to create more jokes to cover up embarrassment and humiliation.

 

[Jiangnan]

IAF: Don't trust Made in India. It cannot work in the real world.



Made in India is like the height of Indian. Global joke.

Don't beg me to humiliate you anymore. Okay? indians.

 

[Bilal9]

Guys - let's not do personal attacks or attacks on ethnicities.

Some things are self-evident about both India and China, they are obvious - no need to repeat those.

Krishan dada - if India is such a great weapons maker, then why do we need to repeat pages and pages of propaganda about it? People globally should already know.

Your repetitive posts on the greatness of Indian weapons are heavily redundant and may I say - getting borderline boring.

How many times can you say the same old thing over and over?

Tell us something new.

 

[Mainerik]

Krishan dada - if India is such a great weapons maker, then why do we need to repeat pages and pages of propaganda about it? People globally should already know.

This is accurate.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Those who wants to mess with India be aware. Now the response shall be very harsh. Hitting Chinese ships will be as easy as hitting Pakistani air base.

DRDO’s Ambitious Hypersonic Program: Developing 12 Variants Including HGVs, Anti-Hypersonic Missiles, and Hypersonic Cruise Missiles - Indian Defence Research Wing​

SOURCE: AFI The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) of India has recently unveiled its expansive plans to bolster the nation’s defense capabilities through the development of 12 distinct hypersonic missile systems. This ambitious program encompasses a range of technologies...

idrw.org

 

[Krishna with Flute]

The most important role these missiles may play is that it will reduce Chinese navy to a seating duck. India will be able to hit Chinese ships parked in SAC from a very long distance say from the Indian land mass. The great part of this development is that China has no counter to that. Gather credible intelligence and fire a salvo of hypersonic missile on Chinese ships and watch them shattered from satellite after 7 minutes.

 

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From Pakistan's Flop To Iran's Front Line: Why China's HQ-9B Air Defense System Is Under Scrutiny?​

Story by Nitin.Kumar
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3 min read

From Pakistan's Flop To Iran's Front Line: Why China's HQ-9B Air Defense System Is Under Scrutiny?


China has reportedly transferred its HQ-9B air defense system to Iran. This move has attracted international attention, especially considering the system's troubled history in Pakistan. The transfer, believed to be a trade for oil, comes as Iran aims to strengthen its air defenses against regional threats.



The HQ-9B is a long-range air defense system designed in China. It takes inspiration from Russia's S-300 and includes some American and Israeli technologies. The system is built to intercept aerial threats, including enemy aircraft, drones, cruise missiles, and some ballistic missiles. It uses radar to locate targets and then launches its own missiles to destroy them mid-air. The HQ-9B can engage 8 to 10 targets at once within a range of 250 to 300 km.

Pakistan's Troubled Experience With HQ-9B​

Pakistan integrated the HQ-9B into its military in 2021, promoting it as a strong tool against India's increasing air power, which includes Rafale jets and BrahMos missiles. However, the system has performed poorly on several occasions, most notably during India's "Operation Sindoor" in May 2025.



During "Operation Sindoor," India carried out precision strikes on terrorist targets in Pakistan and Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK). These strikes involved advanced weaponry, including BrahMos missiles, French SCALP cruise missiles, and Israeli Harop drones. Despite the HQ-9B's presence, it reportedly failed to intercept any of these threats. Reports indicated that the Indian attacks were so precise that they also destroyed an HQ-9B battery near Lahore.

The system's failures extended beyond "Operation Sindoor." In 2024, when Iran targeted Pakistan's Balochistan with missile and drone strikes, the HQ-9B again showed no response.

Several reasons are put forward for the HQ-9B's failures in Pakistan:

Lack Of Training: Pakistani military personnel may not have received sufficient training to operate the complex system.

Jamming And Stealth Technology: India's use of electronic warfare and stealth missiles might have evaded or confused the HQ-9B's radar.



Technical Limitations: Some experts believed the HQ-9B may not be fully capable of intercepting high-velocity missiles, like the BrahMos.

Maintenance Issues: The system's high maintenance costs and possible shortages of spare parts in Pakistan could have hurt its operational readiness.

These repeated failures led to significant criticism in Pakistan and even on Chinese social media, where the Pakistani military was described as "mute spectators," and the reliability of the HQ-9B was questioned.

China's Strategic Transfer To Iran​

The news of China transferring the HQ-9B system to Iran came out in July 2025. This deal seems to be an exchange for oil, as US sanctions prevent Iran from making cash payments.

Why Iran Needs Air Defense: Iran faces serious geopolitical challenges and threats from powerful adversaries, such as Israel and the United States. Recent Israeli airstrikes on Iranian sites have highlighted the need for Iran to improve its air defense systems. The HQ-9B could offer vital long-range aerial defense.

Benefits For China:​

Secure Oil Supply: The deal gives China a steady and potentially discounted supply of oil, which is essential for its economy.

Expanding Arms Market: China aims to increase its market presence in the arms trade. Providing the HQ-9B to Iran helps establish a foothold in the unstable Middle East.

Reputation Management: The HQ-9B's poor performance in Pakistan damaged China's credibility in defense technology. Deploying it in Iran allows Beijing to showcase the system's effectiveness, particularly against sophisticated Western military technology.

Israeli Concerns: Israel has expressed worries about this deal, as the HQ-9B could significantly boost Iran's ability to counter aerial threats.

Prospects For HQ-9B In Iran And India's Position​

It remains uncertain whether the HQ-9B will perform better in Iran. Its past failures in Pakistan do not necessarily indicate that it is ineffective overall. Its success in Iran will depend on several factors:

Training And Maintenance: Iran will need to ensure thorough training for its personnel and may rely on China for maintenance and spare parts.


Adversary Technology: Both Israel and the U.S. have stealth aircraft and advanced missiles that might evade the HQ-9B's radar systems.

Operational Integration: Iran's ability to effectively integrate and use the system within its existing defense framework will be essential.

For India, this development could raise concerns, especially given the complex nature of India-Iran relations. If Iran successfully deploys the HQ-9B, it could shift the balance of power in the Middle East. However, India's own strong air defense systems, including the S-400 and Akash missile systems, are designed to counter a wide range of aerial threats, positioning it to handle any potential implications.

MSN

 

[Lulldapull]

The most beautiful part of this incident is that Turkish Baryaktar drone, which was hyped a lot was shown its place. Along with Chinese weapons, the market of Turkish drones also finished.

Its the most shot down drone in history along with the CH-4.

Broken all world records on the numbers downed.

Total junk!

 

[Lulldapull]

From Pakistan's Flop To Iran's Front Line: Why China's HQ-9B Air Defense System Is Under Scrutiny?​

Story by Nitin.Kumar
• 1h•
3 min read

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From Pakistan's Flop To Iran's Front Line: Why China's HQ-9B Air Defense System Is Under Scrutiny?


China has reportedly transferred its HQ-9B air defense system to Iran. This move has attracted international attention, especially considering the system's troubled history in Pakistan. The transfer, believed to be a trade for oil, comes as Iran aims to strengthen its air defenses against regional threats.



The HQ-9B is a long-range air defense system designed in China. It takes inspiration from Russia's S-300 and includes some American and Israeli technologies. The system is built to intercept aerial threats, including enemy aircraft, drones, cruise missiles, and some ballistic missiles. It uses radar to locate targets and then launches its own missiles to destroy them mid-air. The HQ-9B can engage 8 to 10 targets at once within a range of 250 to 300 km.

Pakistan's Troubled Experience With HQ-9B​

Pakistan integrated the HQ-9B into its military in 2021, promoting it as a strong tool against India's increasing air power, which includes Rafale jets and BrahMos missiles. However, the system has performed poorly on several occasions, most notably during India's "Operation Sindoor" in May 2025.



During "Operation Sindoor," India carried out precision strikes on terrorist targets in Pakistan and Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK). These strikes involved advanced weaponry, including BrahMos missiles, French SCALP cruise missiles, and Israeli Harop drones. Despite the HQ-9B's presence, it reportedly failed to intercept any of these threats. Reports indicated that the Indian attacks were so precise that they also destroyed an HQ-9B battery near Lahore.

The system's failures extended beyond "Operation Sindoor." In 2024, when Iran targeted Pakistan's Balochistan with missile and drone strikes, the HQ-9B again showed no response.

Several reasons are put forward for the HQ-9B's failures in Pakistan:

Lack Of Training: Pakistani military personnel may not have received sufficient training to operate the complex system.

Jamming And Stealth Technology: India's use of electronic warfare and stealth missiles might have evaded or confused the HQ-9B's radar.



Technical Limitations: Some experts believed the HQ-9B may not be fully capable of intercepting high-velocity missiles, like the BrahMos.

Maintenance Issues: The system's high maintenance costs and possible shortages of spare parts in Pakistan could have hurt its operational readiness.

These repeated failures led to significant criticism in Pakistan and even on Chinese social media, where the Pakistani military was described as "mute spectators," and the reliability of the HQ-9B was questioned.

China's Strategic Transfer To Iran​

The news of China transferring the HQ-9B system to Iran came out in July 2025. This deal seems to be an exchange for oil, as US sanctions prevent Iran from making cash payments.

Why Iran Needs Air Defense: Iran faces serious geopolitical challenges and threats from powerful adversaries, such as Israel and the United States. Recent Israeli airstrikes on Iranian sites have highlighted the need for Iran to improve its air defense systems. The HQ-9B could offer vital long-range aerial defense.

Benefits For China:​

Secure Oil Supply: The deal gives China a steady and potentially discounted supply of oil, which is essential for its economy.

Expanding Arms Market: China aims to increase its market presence in the arms trade. Providing the HQ-9B to Iran helps establish a foothold in the unstable Middle East.

Reputation Management: The HQ-9B's poor performance in Pakistan damaged China's credibility in defense technology. Deploying it in Iran allows Beijing to showcase the system's effectiveness, particularly against sophisticated Western military technology.

Israeli Concerns: Israel has expressed worries about this deal, as the HQ-9B could significantly boost Iran's ability to counter aerial threats.

Prospects For HQ-9B In Iran And India's Position​

It remains uncertain whether the HQ-9B will perform better in Iran. Its past failures in Pakistan do not necessarily indicate that it is ineffective overall. Its success in Iran will depend on several factors:

Training And Maintenance: Iran will need to ensure thorough training for its personnel and may rely on China for maintenance and spare parts.


Adversary Technology: Both Israel and the U.S. have stealth aircraft and advanced missiles that might evade the HQ-9B's radar systems.

Operational Integration: Iran's ability to effectively integrate and use the system within its existing defense framework will be essential.

For India, this development could raise concerns, especially given the complex nature of India-Iran relations. If Iran successfully deploys the HQ-9B, it could shift the balance of power in the Middle East. However, India's own strong air defense systems, including the S-400 and Akash missile systems, are designed to counter a wide range of aerial threats, positioning it to handle any potential implications.

MSN

China can't transfer a single bullet to Iran without US permission.

So this is fake news bro.