[🇧🇩-Airforce] MRCA Program of Bangladesh Air Force

[Saif]

Date of Event: Nov 19, 2024

Source : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxSJdEQHxlU

Bangladesh’s air chief attends Zhuhai airshow, signaling interest in Chinese military tech

 

[Vsdoc]

@Lulldapull @Guru Dutt

 

[Saif]

I cannot vouch for the authenticity of the video. Posting it to generate constructive discussion.

Bangladesh wants Rafale fighters as broader effort to modernize Bangladesh Air Force

 

[Krishna with Flute]

I cannot vouch for the authenticity of the video. Posting it to generate constructive discussion.

Bangladesh wants Rafale fighters as broader effort to modernize Bangladesh Air Force

Rafale shall be too costly. Acquisition of Rafale shall have its toll on other defense acquisition. This seems more of an enthusiasm than something considered seriously.

 

[Saif]

Rafale shall be too costly. Acquisition of Rafale shall have its toll on other defense acquisition. This seems more of an enthusiasm than something considered seriously.

I prefer J-10C from China. It's cheap and easy to maintain. Supply of spare parts is guaranteed.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

I prefer J-10C from China. It's cheap and easy to maintain. Supply of spare parts is guaranteed.

It has low reliability, substandard weapons and poor electronics.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

I think Mig 35 or Su 35 or Su 75 shall be the best deal for BD. I exclude best bat Tejas as current situation in BDay not be conducive for that.

 

[Bilal9]

Bangladesh’s air chief attends Zhuhai airshow, signaling interest in Chinese military tech

I think the narration went a bit over-dramatic, saying Bangladesh buying aerial platforms of any kind from China will affect regional stability.

It won't.

Bangladesh military posture has always been defensive - with much larger neighbors who pose a larger military threat. Bangladesh needs to play its cards right diplomatically.

Focus in Bangladesh - as it exists and will remain for the near future, is to improve the economy. End of story.

 

[Bilal9]

I cannot vouch for the authenticity of the video. Posting it to generate constructive discussion.

Bangladesh wants Rafale fighters as broader effort to modernize Bangladesh Air Force

The news is not entirely without basis, but the sources have credibility issues,

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New leadership in Dhaka may pave way for Rafale deal​

Posted on October 27, 2024 by alert5

France is making a big push to sell its Rafale fighter jets to Bangladesh, hoping to capitalise on a change in leadership in Dhaka, the Sunday Guardian reports. Discussions are progressing with the new caretaker Prime Minister, Mohammad Yunus, who is seen as more receptive to France’s offer than his predecessor, Sheikh Hasina. This comes as Bangladesh seeks to modernise its air force, officially known as the Bangladesh Air Force or BAF



Back in March 2017, the Directorate General of Defence Purchases (DGDP) in Bangladesh issued a tender for eight multi-role combat aircraft, with an option for four more in the second phase. The deal, valued at approximately €2.5 billion, is seen as critical to bolstering Bangladesh’s aerial defences and enabling a range of operations, including anti-surface, maritime, and offensive counter-air missions.

While the French Rafale is a strong contender, it faces competition from the European-built Eurofighter Typhoon. However, the Rafale faces some headwinds. Some argue that Bangladesh should avoid purchasing the same fighter jet as its neighbour India. They suggest that doing so could limit Bangladesh’s tactical advantage, as India would have intimate knowledge of the Rafale’s capabilities and potential weaknesses. Furthermore, critics argue that acquiring the Rafale could signal Bangladesh is aligning too closely with India’s defence strategy, and they urge Dhaka to diversify its defence equipment sources.

French President Emmanuel Macron visited Dhaka in September 2023, following his attendance at the G-20 Summit in New Delhi. This visit, the first by a French President in 33 years, aimed to persuade Bangladesh to choose the Rafale. However, Macron left without a firm commitment from Bangladesh.

The BAF has laid out detailed specifications for the new fighter jets. They require twin-engine aircraft with a minimum thrust of 5,500 kg dry and over 8,000 kg with afterburner. The aircraft must also have at least eight hardpoints and a payload capacity of no less than 5,000 kg. The BAF’s requirements extend beyond the aircraft itself, encompassing maintenance, training, and a comprehensive set of air-to-air and air-to-surface munitions. Deliveries are expected to occur in two phases, with the first batch of four aircraft arriving first, followed by the remaining aircraft 18-24 months later.

The outcome of this competition remains uncertain. The decision Bangladesh makes will have significant implications for both France and the balance of power in the region.

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France seeks Rafale deal with Bangladesh​

French Air Force fighter jet Rafale


ByAbhinandan Mishra
October 27, 2024

France aims to finalise Rafale deal with Bangladesh as discussions gain momentum under Caretaker PM Mohammad Yunus.

New Delhi: France is hoping that the new dispensation in Bangladesh will finalise a long-awaited deal to purchase Rafale fighter jets as part of a broader effort to modernise the Bangladesh Air Force (BAF), according to sources familiar with the matter. The discussions have gained momentum as the caretaker Prime Minister Mohammad Yunus has been described as more receptive to France’s offer compared to his predecessor Sheikh Hasina.

In March 2017, Bangladesh’s Directorate General of Defence Purchases (DGDP) issued a tender for eight new multi-role combat aircraft, with an option for four more in the second phase, to bolster the BAF’s capabilities. The objective was to enhance the country’s aerial defence and enable anti-surface, maritime, and offensive counter-air operations. The Bangladeshi government had previously committed in December 2016 to finalising this purchase during the 2016-2017 fiscal year. Apart from the French Rafale, the European-built Eurofighter Typhoon has also been in the running for this almost €2.5 billion contract.

As part of the competition for this tender, defence companies are not only highlighting the strengths of their own products, but also pointing out perceived shortcomings in their competitors’ offerings. In this context, a narrative has emerged suggesting that since India operates Rafale fighter jets, Dhaka should consider not opting for Rafale. Those supporting this narrative say that Dhaka should diversify its defence equipment sources to avoid dependency on the same suppliers as neighbouring countries. Secondly, opting for the same aircraft could be seen as aligning too closely with India’s defence strategy. Thirdly, since India already operates Rafale jets, Bangladesh might lose any tactical advantage as India would have in-depth knowledge of the capabilities and potential weaknesses of the Rafale, which could put Bangladesh at a disadvantage in any future conflict or diplomatic standoff.

The Sunday Guardian reached out to Dassault Aviation for a response on these developments. None was received till the story went to press. Similar email sent to the Bangladesh Cabinet Secretariat headed by Yunus too did not generate any response.

As per the BAF’s specifications, the fighters must be newly built, with production beginning no earlier than the signing year of the contract. The aircraft should have twin engines, each delivering a minimum of 5,500 kg in dry thrust and over 8,000 kg with afterburner. They must feature at least eight hardpoints and a payload capacity of no less than 5,000 kg. In terms of avionics, the BAF wants the fighters to be equipped with an electronically-scanned array radar capable of a range of 150 km for air-to-air missions and 50 km for air-to-surface operations. The package must also include an integrated electronic warfare and electronic countermeasures suite, an infrared search and track (IRST) system with a 50 km tracking range, a helmet-mounted display and sight system, a head-up display, and a modern glass cockpit. The BAF has sought a comprehensive package deal that includes not just the aircraft but also maintenance, a training package, and a set of air-to-air and air-to-surface munitions. The delivery is expected in two phases, with the first batch of four aircraft to be followed by the second batch 18-24 months later.

In September 2023, French President Emmanuel Macron visited Dhaka at the invitation of Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina. The visit, which followed Macron’s attendance at the G-20 Summit in New Delhi, was the first official visit by a French president to Bangladesh in 33 years. One primary reason for the visit of Marcon was to push for the induction of Rafale into BAF. However, he received no concrete answer.

 

[Saif]

It has low reliability, substandard weapons and poor electronics.

BAF has always customized Chinese aircraft before purchasing. The avionics, ejection seat and targeting pod can be changed to make J-10 a potent aerial platform.

 

[Saif]

Focus in Bangladesh - as it exists and will remain for the near future, is to improve the economy. End of story.

Sovereignty comes first not the economy.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

BAF has always customized Chinese aircraft before purchasing. The avionics, ejection seat and targeting pod can be changed to make J-10 a potent aerial platform.

But what about the platform? If they provide Russian engine, it can be still workable but if they install Chinese engine, its reliability shall be very low. Its weapons are not very reliable, so as radar. It will always be batter to go for Russian weapons when there is a choice between Russian and Chinese weapon. Even China has purchased Su 35 and Su30 inspite of claim of so called 5th generation plane called J 20. China itself has not inducted JF17 though they use Mig 21.

 

[Saif]

But what about the platform? If they provide Russian engine, it can be still workable but if they install Chinese engine, its reliability shall be very low. Its weapons are not very reliable, so as radar. It will always be batter to go for Russian weapons when there is a choice between Russian and Chinese weapon. Even China has purchased Su 35 and Su30 inspite of claim of so called 5th generation plane called J 20. China itself has not inducted JF17 though they use Mig 21.

China has reverse engineered Russian engine which works just fine.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

China has reverse engineered Russian engine which works just fine.

China had offered JF 17 with Chinese engine which Pakistan had refused to accept. If BD thinks that it works fine, so be it. Afterall, you are going to purchase it with your own money.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

So far as India is concern, India will always want country with possibility of potential conflict to have substandard weapons. IAF will always prefer to counter JF 17 and J10 than Mig 35 ot Su35.

 

[Saif]

China had offered JF 17 with Chinese engine which Pakistan had refused to accept. If BD thinks that it works fine, so be it. Afterall, you are going to purchase it by your own money.

WS-15 is a powerful engine which powers J-20--a fifth generation aircraft of China.

 

[Saif]

So far as India is concern, India will always want country with possibility of potential conflict to have substandard weapons. IAF will always prefer to counter JF 17 and J10 than Mig 35 ot Su35.

We should not buy big ticket items from Russia because of its close relation with India.

 

[Saif]

The guy in the video tells that BAF is moving toward acquiring new aircraft under the much talked about MRCA program. Besides, he also tells that Drones are also being procured and manufactured locally.

যুদ্ধের জন্য বাংলাদেশ বিমান বাহিনী কতটুকু প্রস্তুত?

 

[Krishna with Flute]

We should not buy big ticket items from Russia because of its close relation with India.

That is a point. What about SAAB Gripen? Or F16?

 

[Saif]

That is a point. What about SAAB Gripen? Or F16?

We cannot buy F-16 because of ACSA and GSOMIA. Gripen is also not an option because it has US engine.

 

[Jiangnan]

It has low reliability, substandard weapons and poor electronics.

J-10C actual performance.

1, Fly directly from China to Egypt. The mileage is 8000 km.

2, The 5 J-10C formation flew over Mount Everest.

3, Suppress F-16V and IDF in the Taiwan Strait.

4, Chinese J-10C Scores 9-0 Victory Over Eurofighter Typhoon As Its PR Machinery 'Hot Sells' 4.5-Gen Jets

 

[Krishna with Flute]

J-10C actual performance.

1, Fly directly from China to Egypt. The mileage is 8000 km.

2, The 5 J-10C formation flew over Mount Everest.

3, Suppress F-16V and IDF in the Taiwan Strait.

4, Chinese J-10C Scores 9-0 Victory Over Eurofighter Typhoon As Its PR Machinery 'Hot Sells' 4.5-Gen Jets

If you have no knowledge of subject, you have a lot of freedom to bluff.

Which fighter in the world has 8000 KM of range? Forget about J 10 but cite a single example any plane in the world which has 8000 k m of range.

Mount Everestra has 30000 ft height. Almost all fighters have 50000 ft ceiling. So almost each and every plane can do that.
Victory over Eurofighter. When your J 11 performed like this in exercise against outdated GripenC/D, what will your J10 do against Eurofighter? Read this para on exercise Falcon Strike.

What astounded the military experts is that a 25-year-old fighter overpowered the relatively younger Chinese J-11 aircraft especially during the beyond-visual-range (BVR) engagements.

This humiliating defeat by the Gripens exposed the reality of China’s air-warfare capabilities, with experts commenting on J-11s not having a chance against the muc advanced Rafales that the Indian Air Force is operating.

The Gripens shot down a total of 41 Chinese J-11s at a loss of six fighters. The final tally after the completion of seven days stood in favor of the Swedish fighters as it shot down 42 J-11s at a loss of 34 only.

Saab Gripen ‘Rips Apart’ Chinese J-11 Fighters In War Games; Experts Call Them ‘Sitting Ducks’ For Rafales

A “dogfight” between Saab Gripen and the Chinese J-11 fighter jets game provides lessons to militaries around the world on how to get the better of Chinese warplanes. Message To The US? China’s J-20 Stealth Fighter Jet Makes Debut In Joint Military Drills With Russia Details of Exercise Falcon...

www.eurasiantimes.com

 

[Jiangnan]

If you have no knowledge of subject, you have a lot of freedom to bluff.

Which fighter in the world has 8000 KM of range? Forget about J 10 but cite a single example any plane in the world which has 8000 k m of range.

Mount Everestra has 30000 ft height. Almost all fighters have 50000 ft ceiling. So almost each and every plane can do that.
Victory over Eurofighter. When your J 11 performed like this in exercise against outdated GripenC/D, what will your J10 do against Eurofighter? Read this para on exercise Falcon Strike.

What astounded the military experts is that a 25-year-old fighter overpowered the relatively younger Chinese J-11 aircraft especially during the beyond-visual-range (BVR) engagements.

This humiliating defeat by the Gripens exposed the reality of China’s air-warfare capabilities, with experts commenting on J-11s not having a chance against the muc advanced Rafales that the Indian Air Force is operating.

The Gripens shot down a total of 41 Chinese J-11s at a loss of six fighters. The final tally after the completion of seven days stood in favor of the Swedish fighters as it shot down 42 J-11s at a loss of 34 only.

Saab Gripen ‘Rips Apart’ Chinese J-11 Fighters In War Games; Experts Call Them ‘Sitting Ducks’ For Rafales

A “dogfight” between Saab Gripen and the Chinese J-11 fighter jets game provides lessons to militaries around the world on how to get the better of Chinese warplanes. Message To The US? China’s J-20 Stealth Fighter Jet Makes Debut In Joint Military Drills With Russia Details of Exercise Falcon...

www.eurasiantimes.com

1, I didn't say that J-10C flew 8000 kilometers alone to Egypt. J-10C undergoes aerial refueling and then flies to Egypt. Mileage 8000 km. I'm sorry. I don't know if you don't know about air refueling.​

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2, You may not know the Everest route. This is the most dangerous route in the world. Any plane flying on Mount Everest is extremely dangerous. And pilots are at risk of altitude sickness. Including very strict tests on aviation engines. It's common sense. No more explanations. But J-10C pilots can fly over Mount Everest.​

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3, According to Taiwanese news. J-10C suppresses F-16V and IDF in the Taiwan Strait. (Now think about it. Indian Rafale fighter vs Pakistani F-16 C/D).​

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4, China Thailand conducts air exercises every year. But I don't know why the news only reported on the 2015 incident and only talked about J-11.​

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BTW. J-10C also participated in the China Thailand Air Force exercises. Can't you find this link?​

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Now let's take a look at the only air force on Mount Everest. -- J-10C.​

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[Jiangnan]

We should not buy big ticket items from Russia because of its close relation with India.

Around 2017. I was chatting with a Bangladeshi friend. I would recommend Bangladesh to consider investing in SAC. Because SAC was in dire need of financial support at that time. It lost to CAC in the PLAAF bid. Almost all the money of the Air Force was invested in the CAC. At the time, SAC even sold some factories to save FC31. If Bangladesh can invest in SAC. In the future, it is possible to get the FC-31 at cost price.

But there is no "if". It's a pity

 

[Dogun18]

J-10C actual performance.

1, Fly directly from China to Egypt. The mileage is 8000 km.

2, The 5 J-10C formation flew over Mount Everest.

3, Suppress F-16V and IDF in the Taiwan Strait.

4, Chinese J-10C Scores 9-0 Victory Over Eurofighter Typhoon As Its PR Machinery 'Hot Sells' 4.5-Gen Jets

@Lulldapull Do you think that Bangladesh should go for JC-10 or JF-17s? And do you think that Iran could ever match something like those?

 

[Lulldapull]

@Lulldapull Do you think that Bangladesh should go for JC-10 or JF-17s? And do you think that Iran could ever match something like those?

Bhai tbh in about a decade or so, warplanes will largely be replaced by AI drones.

The USAF NGAD fighter is a pilotless drone.

 

[Dogun18]

Bhai tbh in about a decade or so, warplanes will largely be replaced by AI drones.

The USAF NGAD fighter is a pilotless drone.

Yes, but Iran even showed keen interest in the JF-17 and perhaps to buy a few from Pakistan after the Israeli-Iran spat.

 

[Lulldapull]

Yes, but Iran even showed keen interest in the JF-17 and perhaps to buy a few from Pakistan after the Israeli-Iran spat.

China won’t allow the thunder to be exported to Iran due to US pressure.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

If you have no knowledge of subject, you have a lot of freedom to bluff.

Which fighter in the world has 8000 KM of range? Forget about J 10 but cite a single example any plane in the world which has 8000 k m of range.

Mount Everestra has 30000 ft height. Almost all fighters have 50000 ft ceiling. So almost each and every plane can do that.
Victory over Eurofighter. When your J 11 performed like this in exercise against outdated GripenC/D, what will your J10 do against Eurofighter? Read this para on exercise Falcon Strike.

What astounded the military experts is that a 25-year-old fighter overpowered the relatively younger Chinese J-11 aircraft especially during the beyond-visual-range (BVR) engagements.

This humiliating defeat by the Gripens exposed the reality of China’s air-warfare capabilities, with experts commenting on J-11s not having a chance against the muc advanced Rafales that the Indian Air Force is operating.

The Gripens shot down a total of 41 Chinese J-11s at a loss of six fighters. The final tally after the completion of seven days stood in favor of the Swedish fighters as it shot down 42 J-11s at a loss of 34 only.

Saab Gripen ‘Rips Apart’ Chinese J-11 Fighters In War Games; Experts Call Them ‘Sitting Ducks’ For Rafales

A “dogfight” between Saab Gripen and the Chinese J-11 fighter jets game provides lessons to militaries around the world on how to get the better of Chinese warplanes. Message To The US? China’s J-20 Stealth Fighter Jet Makes Debut In Joint Military Drills With Russia Details of Exercise Falcon...

www.eurasiantimes.com

What a big deal if that is done with refueling? We never thum our chest on Rafal flying non stop from France to India with refueling.

Not only in Himalayas, flying J10 is dangerous anywhere because so many of them has fallen down till date.
There was an another excercise as well where Gripen scored 34 to 0 against Chinese plane in BVR combat. These are outdated Gripen C/D. Imagine what will happen to your planes when it will face Rafale or Tejas? Your technologically inferior planes are only good for chest thumping but not good enough for fight any modern warfare.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

We cannot buy F-16 because of ACSA and GSOMIA. Gripen is also not an option because it has US engine.

This means that Chinese mall in a majaboori.

 

[Saif]

Around 2017. I was chatting with a Bangladeshi friend. I would recommend Bangladesh to consider investing in SAC. Because SAC was in dire need of financial support at that time. It lost to CAC in the PLAAF bid. Almost all the money of the Air Force was invested in the CAC. At the time, SAC even sold some factories to save FC31. If Bangladesh can invest in SAC. In the future, it is possible to get the FC-31 at cost price.

But there is no "if". It's a pity

Are FC-31 and J-35A the same aircraft?

 

[Saif]

This means that Chinese mall in a majaboori.

We are used to using Chinese technology so it is only natural that we feel comfortable with Chinese aircraft like J-10. Besides, supply of spare parts is guaranteed.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

We are used to using Chinese technology so it is only natural that we feel comfortable with Chinese aircraft like J-10. Besides, supply of spare parts is guaranteed.

Feeling comfortable and being effective are different things.

 

[Sharma Ji]

How many do BD need/want ?

A single engine like a JF 17, F 16, Gripen fit the bill one would imagine.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

How many do BD need/want ?

A single engine like a JF 17, F 16, Gripen fit the bill one would imagine.

Gripen and F16 are costly.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Gripen and F16 are costly.

True, but what is their requirement ? How many are they looking at ?

1 squadron should be plenty enough, 15 - 20.

 

[Saif]

Feeling comfortable and being effective are different things.

J-10 is effective air platform. Pakistan has bought 25 units of J-10. The Egyptian air force is going ahead to sign a deal with China to procure large number of J-10 in near future. Iran is also in the race.

 

[Saif]

True, but what is their requirement ? How many are they looking at ?

1 squadron should be plenty enough, 15 - 20.

We are looking for inducting 3 squadron of J-10 to replace the F-7MB, F-7BG and F-7BGI. Initially we will replace F-7MB and the other versions of F-7S will be replaced within 2030. Right now BAF has the government authorization to operate 5 squadron aircrafts.

 

[Sharma Ji]

We are looking for inducting 3 squadron of J-10 to replace the F-7MB, F-7BG and F-7BGI. Initially we will replace F-7MB and the other versions of F-7S will be replaced within 2030. Right now BAF has the government authorization to operate 5 squadron aircrafts.

So roughly 60 odd fighters ? Isn't that overkill ?

Spend some on troop/cargo transport too, and some on rotary wing (particularly helpful vs insurgents in a dense jungle)

 

[Saif]

So roughly 60 odd fighters ? Isn't that overkill ?

Spend some on troop/cargo transport too, and some on rotary wing (particularly helpful vs insurgents in a dense jungle)

Actually we need more than 5 squadrons of aircraft to protect our air space from the Indian and Burmese air forces. BAF has committed adequate amount of money to procure transport planes and helicopters. Just recently BAF has bought 5 C-130 Hercules from the Royal air force. Also added quite a few Russian MI-17 helicopters to its fleet.

 

[Ummm]

Actually we need more than 5 squadrons of aircraft to protect our air space from the Indian and Burmese air forces. BAF has committed adequate amount of money to transport planes and helicopters. Just recently BAF has bought 5 C-130 Hercules from the Royal air force. Also added quite a few Russian MI-17 helicopters to its fleet.

Is the Burmese airforce stronger than Bangladeshi airforce?

 

[Saif]

Is the Burmese airforce stronger than Bangladeshi airforce?

Unfortunately, yes.

 

[Sharma Ji]

the Everest route. This is the most dangerous route in the world. Any plane flying on Mount Everest is extremely dangerous. And pilots are at risk of altitude sickness. Including very strict tests on aviation engines. It's common sense. No more explanations. But J-10C pilots can fly over Mount Everest.

Thanks for the laughs

 

[Jiangnan]

Are FC-31 and J-35A the same aircraft?

FC-31 is the foundation of J-35A.

 

[Observer]

FC-31 is the foundation of J-35A.

Foundation, so the same plane? Don't understand.

 

[Jiangnan]

Thanks for the laughs

For some common sense. I don't want to explain too much. Now let's see the J-10C flying at ultra-low altitude.

 

[Saif]

Foundation, so the same plane? Don't understand.

He means that J-35A is based on FC-31. If I am not mistaken J-35A is an improved version of FC-31.

 

[Jiangnan]

Foundation, so the same plane? Don't understand.

FC31 is independently produced by SAC. Not authorized by the Chinese government. They also did not receive support from the Chinese government. After continuous improvement at SAC. The Chinese Air Force and Navy ultimately accepted it. And renamed as J-31/35.

 

[Jiangnan]

Feeling comfortable and being effective are different things.

Just like LCA, although IAF feels uncomfortable. But the Indian government believes it is effective.

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Your response is full of logical contradictions. Please consider carefully before replying.

 

[Jiangnan]

Regarding some issues pointed out by Indian friends. Lack of factual basis.

Taiwanese military experts note that in a high-tech confrontation in the Taiwan Strait, it will be difficult for the F-16V to counter the J-10C.

https://blog.udn.com/mobile/H101094880/170640875

J-10C can fight in any environment and any climate.

As for the weapons, avionics, and other issues related to the J-10C mentioned by Indian friends. Perhaps based on the experience of the Indian Air Force in countering Pakistan's old F-16.

 

[Bilal9]

Around 2017. I was chatting with a Bangladeshi friend. I would recommend Bangladesh to consider investing in SAC. Because SAC was in dire need of financial support at that time. It lost to CAC in the PLAAF bid. Almost all the money of the Air Force was invested in the CAC. At the time, SAC even sold some factories to save FC31. If Bangladesh can invest in SAC. In the future, it is possible to get the FC-31 at cost price.

But there is no "if". It's a pity

Yeah - water under the bridge now unfortunately.

Govt. stupidity in Bangladesh is too common. They don't know how to seize a good opportunity.

Not just FC-31, but I believe F-7BGI production line (now producing the FTC-2000, or the JL-9 supersonic trainer) was offered to Bangladesh at one point from Chengdu. That could have been a nice starting point for our first fighter. But even with glass cockpit, may have been a little dated aerodynamically. But one has to start somewhere.

 

[Saif]

Bangladesh Air Force chief's visit to China J-10c discussion

 

[Jiangnan]

What a big deal if that is done with refueling? We never thum our chest on Rafal flying non stop from France to India with refueling.

Not only in Himalayas, flying J10 is dangerous anywhere because so many of them has fallen down till date.
There was an another excercise as well where Gripen scored 34 to 0 against Chinese plane in BVR combat. These are outdated Gripen C/D. Imagine what will happen to your planes when it will face Rafale or Tejas? Your technologically inferior planes are only good for chest thumping but not good enough for fight any modern warfare.

Your reply almost made me think it was "50% made in India" Tejas flying directly from India to France.

but, The Myanmar Air Force used JF-17 to bomb India.

For within 70 years. The Indian Air Force crashed a 2374 fighter jet. There is nothing braver than Indians flying Indian planes.

SHOCKING! 2,374 IAF Crashes. 1,305 Pilots Killed

During these seven decades, the IAF has lost 2,374 aircraft to crashes. They include 1,126 fighters and 1,248 non-combat aircraft. In addition, 229 trainers and 196 helicopters have crashed. These crashes have resulted in the deaths of 1,305 skilled pilots, note Ajai Shukla and Devesh Kapur.

m.rediff.com

J-10C suppresses F16V and IDF in the Taiwan Strait. But how does the Indian Air Force suppress Pakistan's F-16C/D?

Just a reminder, the Chinese Air Force engages in high-tech confrontations with the US and Japanese Air Forces almost every day.

I don't know why Tejas is here. If I could drive the J-10 Do you have the courage to drive Tejas?

btw, Reminder again, the Myanmar Air Force used JF-17 to bomb India.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Your reply almost made me think it was "50% made in India" Tejas flying directly from India to France.

but, The Myanmar Air Force used JF-17 to bomb India.

For within 70 years. The Indian Air Force crashed a 2374 fighter jet. There is nothing braver than Indians flying Indian planes.

SHOCKING! 2,374 IAF Crashes. 1,305 Pilots Killed

During these seven decades, the IAF has lost 2,374 aircraft to crashes. They include 1,126 fighters and 1,248 non-combat aircraft. In addition, 229 trainers and 196 helicopters have crashed. These crashes have resulted in the deaths of 1,305 skilled pilots, note Ajai Shukla and Devesh Kapur.

m.rediff.com

J-10C suppresses F16V and IDF in the Taiwan Strait. But how does the Indian Air Force suppress Pakistan's F-16C/D?

Just a reminder, the Chinese Air Force engages in high-tech confrontations with the US and Japanese Air Forces almost every day.

I don't know why Tejas is here. If I could drive the J-10 Do you have the courage to drive Tejas?

btw, Reminder again, the Myanmar Air Force used JF-17 to bomb India.

Tejas is designed and developed by India unlike your J10 which is substandard rejected lavi design. JF 17 is rejected Russian design. Rest are Su series aircraft copies. You don't have a single design of your own. Your WS series engines are copy of Russian AL series. Even Pakistan rejected your made in China WS series in place of Russian engine in JF17. JF 17 is such a great aircraft that China itself still uses Mig 21 but keeps itself away from JF17. China is such a great nation which makes so called fifth generation plane but imports 4th generation Su35 and Su30 from Russia.

Myanmar bombed India? Where did you get this information from?

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Just like LCA, although IAF feels uncomfortable. But the Indian government believes it is effective.

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Your response is full of logical contradictions. Please consider carefully before replying.

India Airforce has full freedom to accept or reject anything. Many countries has considered buying it including US, Brazil, Malaysia, Argentina, Egypt etc. It seems that only your unsubstantiated bluff is logical and rest isn't.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

J-10 is effective air platform. Pakistan has bought 25 units of J-10. The Egyptian air force is going ahead to sign a deal with China to procure large number of J-10 in near future. Iran is also in the race.

Pakistan has bought it because Pakistan can not buy plane from any other sources. No other country has bought it. Half of China's weapon export is to a single country which is Pakistan.

 

[Jiangnan]

Tejas is designed and developed by India unlike your J10 which is substandard rejected lavi design. JF 17 is rejected Russian design. Rest are Su series aircraft copies. You don't have a single design of your own. Your WS series engines are copy of Russian AL series. Even Pakistan rejected your made in China WS series in place of Russian engine in JF17. JF 17 is such a great aircraft that China itself still uses Mig 21 but keeps itself away from JF17. China is such a great nation which makes so called fifth generation plane but imports 4th generation Su35 and Su30 from Russia.

Myanmar bombed India? Where did you get this information from?

friend. Do you know what level Tejas is?

India's Tejas vs Pakistan's JF-17 in low-cost fighter showdown - Asia Times

The recent test flight of India’s homemade Tejas Mk 1A light combat fighter jet pits it directly against Pakistan's JF-17, in a heated subcontinent

asiatimes.com

Uh. You mean. Tejas was not designed by Dassault Systemes, was it designed by an Indian? You seem to be conveying an illusion to others~Tejas' main technology from India? Including engine？Do you want to take off with Tejas equipped with Indian engines?

But I am more interested in the Indian Air Force crashing 2374 fighter jets within 70 years. Which country do these fighter jets mainly come from?

Regarding Su35 in China. I'm sorry. I can't see any news about the Chinese Air Force using Su-35. Perhaps Indian friends are very interested in the Su-35. But for China. The Su-35 has fallen behind.

The Chinese Air Force mainly uses J-20 and J-16, then J-10C.

Rumors about J-10C and Lavi. You are only correct in one thing: Lavi is an unqualified failed product. It has never been put into large-scale service. Heavy reliance on Western technology. So when the US stops providing technology. Lavi immediately failed. Just like some assembled airplanes.

Regarding China's fifth generation fighter jets.

Do you have any questions? please.

Good news for our Indian friends. Although China has 300 5th generation fighter jets. But China only has 24 Su-35s. The Chinese Air Force almost never flies Su-35. After all, u know 35 > 20. congratulate. This is good news for the Indian Air Force.

Just curious, did anyone else remind you of any logical issues?

 

[Jiangnan]

India Airforce has full freedom to accept or reject anything. Many countries has considered buying it including US, Brazil, Malaysia, Argentina, Egypt etc. It seems that only your unsubstantiated bluff is logical and rest isn't.

You mean. US wants to buy Indian fighter jets equipped with US engines.？

Egypt wants to buy Indian fighter jets equipped with Israeli radar.

Argentina wants to buy Indian fighter jets equipped with European missiles.

？？？

i 'm sorry. I thought your logical contradiction was only temporary.

 

[Jiangnan]

I have been trying to understand the logic of my Indian friends. Indian made fighter jets: engines from the United States (but with insufficient thrust and difficult supply). The radar comes from Israel, and the missiles come from Europe. Perhaps the landing gear and ejection seats also come from Europe. It may fly once a year. It may only fly for a dozen minutes at a time.

I don't even know what Indian-made tejas have to do with India. But Indian friends are laughing at the JF-17 and J-10.

The daily flight hours of J-10 may be the total annual flight hours of ALL Tejas.

I previously mentioned that J-10C flies directly from China to Egypt. My Indian friend said it's not a big deal. Rafale fighter jets can fly directly from France to India... I thought he said Tejas flew directly from India to France.

He even thinks that the Su-35 is the best plane in China???

Su-35 no match for J-10C in China’s aerial exercises

Recently Chinese military commentator Xi Yazhou revealed that in last year's air force exercise, China’s domestic J-10C fighter could suppress imported Su-35 fighter. In respects of avionics fire control and ammunition performance, Su-35 jet’s passive phased array radar is completely suppressed...

www.china-arms.com

Indians, oh.

 

[Jiangnan]

Tejas is designed and developed by India unlike your J10 which is substandard rejected lavi design. JF 17 is rejected Russian design. Rest are Su series aircraft copies. You don't have a single design of your own. Your WS series engines are copy of Russian AL series. Even Pakistan rejected your made in China WS series in place of Russian engine in JF17. JF 17 is such a great aircraft that China itself still uses Mig 21 but keeps itself away from JF17. China is such a great nation which makes so called fifth generation plane but imports 4th generation Su35 and Su30 from Russia.

Myanmar bombed India? Where did you get this information from?

honestly. Your dream Su-35 is very outdated.

Su-35 no match for J-10C in China’s aerial exercises

Recently Chinese military commentator Xi Yazhou revealed that in last year's air force exercise, China’s domestic J-10C fighter could suppress imported Su-35 fighter. In respects of avionics fire control and ammunition performance, Su-35 jet’s passive phased array radar is completely suppressed...

www.china-arms.com

 

[Observer]

honestly. Your dream Su-35 is very outdated.

View attachment 10878

Su-35 no match for J-10C in China’s aerial exercises

Recently Chinese military commentator Xi Yazhou revealed that in last year's air force exercise, China’s domestic J-10C fighter could suppress imported Su-35 fighter. In respects of avionics fire control and ammunition performance, Su-35 jet’s passive phased array radar is completely suppressed...

www.china-arms.com

No Indian jet can match even the oldest and weakest of Chinese jets. @Krishna with Flute

 

[Saif]

Pakistan has bought it because Pakistan can not buy plane from any other sources. No other country has bought it. Half of China's weapon export is to a single country which is Pakistan.

I don't know about Pakistan. But Bangladesh wants to buy J-10C because it is cheap and easy to maintain. Being an air force with limited budget, BAF finds J-10C as an appropriate air platform. In addition to that, the supply of spare parts is guaranteed. No risk of sanction at all.

 

[Saif]

honestly. Your dream Su-35 is very outdated.

View attachment 10878

Su-35 no match for J-10C in China’s aerial exercises

Recently Chinese military commentator Xi Yazhou revealed that in last year's air force exercise, China’s domestic J-10C fighter could suppress imported Su-35 fighter. In respects of avionics fire control and ammunition performance, Su-35 jet’s passive phased array radar is completely suppressed...

www.china-arms.com

I think PLAAF bought a small number of SU-35 to get the engine. As far as I know PLAAF reverse engineered the Russian engine needed for its home grown aircrafts such as J-10, FC-31/J-35A, J-20 etc.

 

[Jiangnan]

I think PLAAF bought a small number of SU-35 to get the engine. As far as I know PLAAF reverse engineered the Russian engine needed for its home grown aircrafts such as J-10, FC-31/J-35A, J-20 etc.

yes. China may only be interested in the Su-35 engine. After conducting reverse engineering research on Russian engines, China combined its cutting-edge material technology to develop WS-10, WS-15, WS-20, and others. And equipped with J-20, J-35, J-16, J-15, J-10, Y-20, etc.

Su-35 was defeated by J-10C in China. Su35 has advantages in range and maneuverability. But it only has these.

But you should know. A fighter jet cannot only talk about maneuverability.

J-10C in zhuhai, China.

So. The dream of Indians. Actually, it's very backward.

 

[Bilal9]

Please all stay on topic.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

I don't know about Pakistan. But Bangladesh wants to buy J-10C because it is cheap and easy to maintain. Being an air force with limited budget, BAF finds J-10C as an appropriate air platform. In addition to that, the supply of spare parts is guaranteed. No risk of sanction at all.

Best of luck.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

honestly. Your dream Su-35 is very outdated.

View attachment 10878

Su-35 no match for J-10C in China’s aerial exercises

Recently Chinese military commentator Xi Yazhou revealed that in last year's air force exercise, China’s domestic J-10C fighter could suppress imported Su-35 fighter. In respects of avionics fire control and ammunition performance, Su-35 jet’s passive phased array radar is completely suppressed...

www.china-arms.com

Oh this *&*&*&*& aerodynamic nightmare is superior to Su35? Ohhh Bhai, maro muje maro.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

I have been trying to understand the logic of my Indian friends. Indian made fighter jets: engines from the United States (but with insufficient thrust and difficult supply). The radar comes from Israel, and the missiles come from Europe. Perhaps the landing gear and ejection seats also come from Europe. It may fly once a year. It may only fly for a dozen minutes at a time.

I don't even know what Indian-made tejas have to do with India. But Indian friends are laughing at the JF-17 and J-10.

The daily flight hours of J-10 may be the total annual flight hours of ALL Tejas.

I previously mentioned that J-10C flies directly from China to Egypt. My Indian friend said it's not a big deal. Rafale fighter jets can fly directly from France to India... I thought he said Tejas flew directly from India to France.

He even thinks that the Su-35 is the best plane in China???

Su-35 no match for J-10C in China’s aerial exercises

Recently Chinese military commentator Xi Yazhou revealed that in last year's air force exercise, China’s domestic J-10C fighter could suppress imported Su-35 fighter. In respects of avionics fire control and ammunition performance, Su-35 jet’s passive phased array radar is completely suppressed...

www.china-arms.com

Indians, oh.

Gripen C which humiliated J 11 uses same engine which Tejas uses.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Flankers vs Gripens: What Happened at the Falcon Strike 2015 Exercise?

A Chinese test pilot’s lecture in December 2019 about the exercise sparked renewed discussion over the details.

thediplomat.com

 

[Jiangnan]

Gripen C which humiliated J 11 uses same engine which Tejas uses.

J-10C humiliates India's dream Su-35

China’s J-10C Reportedly Crushed the Russian Su-35 in Combat Exercises - How the Firebird Came Out On Top

Recent reports from Chinese media and a number of defence commentators have shed light on the outcome of war-games which pitted Russian built ‘4++ generation’

militarywatchmagazine.com

J-10C beats J-16 and Su-35, winning the most ‘Golden Helmets’

Chinese military expert Fu Qianshi recently revealed on a program that the J-10C has become the most feared 3.5 generation fighter in China's "Golden Helmets" free air combat test in recent years. In the last three years of the "Golden Helmets" exercise, the J-10C has repeatedly defeated the...

www.china-arms.com

 

[Jiangnan]

Oh this &&&& aerodynamic nightmare is superior to Su35? Ohhh Bhai, maro muje maro.

aerodynamic nightmare?

Dear Indian friend. Just curious, the Indian Air Force crashed 2374 fighter jets within 70 years. What engines do these fighter jets typically use? How are the aerodynamics of these fighter jets?

You know... J-10C daily flight hours > the sum of the annual flight hours of ALL indian fighter. do these Indian fighter jets have engine problems or aerodynamic nightmares?

 

[Jiangnan]

Best of luck.

Best luck. Indian assembled goods...

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@Krishna with Flute Dear Indian friend. I think compared to the Bangladesh Air Force. The Indian Air Force seems to have more serious issues. isn't it?

 

[Observer]

J-10C humiliates India's dream Su-35

China’s J-10C Reportedly Crushed the Russian Su-35 in Combat Exercises - How the Firebird Came Out On Top

Recent reports from Chinese media and a number of defence commentators have shed light on the outcome of war-games which pitted Russian built ‘4++ generation’

militarywatchmagazine.com

J-10C beats J-16 and Su-35, winning the most ‘Golden Helmets’

Chinese military expert Fu Qianshi recently revealed on a program that the J-10C has become the most feared 3.5 generation fighter in China's "Golden Helmets" free air combat test in recent years. In the last three years of the "Golden Helmets" exercise, the J-10C has repeatedly defeated the...

www.china-arms.com

Amazing footage.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

honestly. Your dream Su-35 is very outdated.

View attachment 10878

Su-35 no match for J-10C in China’s aerial exercises

Recently Chinese military commentator Xi Yazhou revealed that in last year's air force exercise, China’s domestic J-10C fighter could suppress imported Su-35 fighter. In respects of avionics fire control and ammunition performance, Su-35 jet’s passive phased array radar is completely suppressed...

www.china-arms.com

We still use

aerodynamic nightmare?

Dear Indian friend. Just curious, the Indian Air Force crashed 2374 fighter jets within 70 years. What engines do these fighter jets typically use? How are the aerodynamics of these fighter jets?

You know... J-10C daily flight hours > the sum of the annual flight hours of ALL indian fighter. do these Indian fighter jets have engine problems or aerodynamic nightmares?

You might have lost multiple times more but your dictator Xi and all prior dictators will not allow that to be disclosed. Dozens of J10s have fallen down. Your so called heavylift rocket had dubious recorded while ours have 100% success rate of GSLV. We made Tejas and we have lost only 1 in 24 years while you have lost dozens of J10. Your JF 17 has dubious maintenance track record. Any Chinese product is synonyms to poor quality.

 

[Jiangnan]

We still use


You might have lost multiple times more but your dictator Xi and all prior dictators will not allow that to be disclosed. Dozens of J10s have fallen down. Your so called heavylift rocket had dubious recorded while ours have 100% success rate of GSLV. We made Tejas and we have lost only 1 in 24 years while you have lost dozens of J10. Your JF 17 has dubious maintenance track record. Any Chinese product is synonyms to poor quality.

J-10C humiliated India Dream SU-35, The J-10C humiliated the European typhoon. The Indian Air Force crashed 2374 fighter jets. ~ (An interesting fact. India assembled 83 Tejas in 24 years).

BTW. US recently provided Tejas engines to India? Tejas has been trying to fly recently?

in fact. You can be braver. For example, I said J-10C flies directly from China to Egypt. You can say "Tejas flew directly from India to Egypt". “ALL tejas flight hours＞one J-10C flight hours”. As long as you believe in yourself.......

I have seen a joke. Indians talk about 'quality'. I watched this Indian joke on the Chinese Tiangong Space Station.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

J-10C humiliated India Dream SU-35, The J-10C humiliated the European typhoon. The Indian Air Force crashed 2374 fighter jets. ~ (An interesting fact. India assembled 83 Tejas in 24 years).

BTW. US recently provided Tejas engines to India? Tejas has been trying to fly recently?

in fact. You can be braver. For example, I said J-10C flies directly from China to Egypt. You can say "Tejas flew directly from India to Egypt". “ALL tejas flight hours＞one J-10C flight hours”. As long as you believe in yourself.......

I have seen a joke. Indians talk about 'quality'. I watched this Indian joke on the Chinese Tiangong Space Station.

J 10 Humiliated Su 35. China has far superior 5th Generation J 20. Yet China bought Su 35 as they doubt that J 20 may not be good enough against US and French plane like Rafale. yet J10 is batter than Su35.

A<B C was Bought to counter D as B was not good enough to counter C yet A>D.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

J 10 Humiliated Su 35. China has far superior 5th Generation J 20. Yet China bought Su 35 as they doubt that J 20 may not be good enough against US and French plane like Rafale. yet J10 is batter than Su35.

A<B C was Bought to counter D as B was not good enough to counter C yet A>D.

First woman to fly China's J-10 fighter jet dies in crash

the first woman to fly chinas j10 fighter plane was killed in a crash during an aerobatics training exercise state media reported on tuesday yu xu 30 was killed after hitting the wing of another jet when she ejected from her aircraft notably xu was one of the four female pilots trained to fly...

inshorts.com

Here is recorded 21 Crashes of J 10. Unrecorded crashes are different and may be more than double the number of recorded crashes. Just 21 crashes and and dozens of deaths in J21 crash. This is great Chinese plane.

Aviation Safety Network > > ASN Aviation Safety Database results

Aviation Safety Network: Aviation Safety Network: Databases containing descriptions of over 11000 airliner write-offs, hijackings and military aircraft accidents.

asn.flightsafety.org

 

[Krishna with Flute]

No Indian jet can match even the oldest and weakest of Chinese jets. @Krishna with Flute

We make AL31 in India but we do not say that it is Indian jet like what China say.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

yes. China may only be interested in the Su-35 engine. After conducting reverse engineering research on Russian engines, China combined its cutting-edge material technology to develop WS-10, WS-15, WS-20, and others. And equipped with J-20, J-35, J-16, J-15, J-10, Y-20, etc.

Su-35 was defeated by J-10C in China. Su35 has advantages in range and maneuverability. But it only has these.

But you should know. A fighter jet cannot only talk about maneuverability.

J-10C in zhuhai, China.
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So. The dream of Indians. Actually, it's very backward.

Look at the list of 21 crashed I attached in post bellow. India's Su 30 has far batter maneuverability than your 21 crash record J10. It is good only for very close combat which does not happen in modern day warfare. It is good for air show. Su 30 does that far better than 10. Su 30 is now made in India. We just do not name them like J 11 and J15 and call them made in India like your stolen designs to boast the ego of your copycat engineers who cannot bring anything original on table.

 

[Jiangnan]

Look at the list of 21 crashed I attached in post bellow. India's Su 30 has far batter maneuverability than your 21 crash record J10. It is good only for very close combat which does not happen in modern day warfare. It is good for air show. Su 30 does that far better than 10. Su 30 is now made in India. We just do not name them like J 11 and J15 and call them made in India like your stolen designs to boast the ego of your copycat engineers who cannot bring anything original on table.

You can say that J10C has crashed 10000 times. But you should be braver. You can say loudly, “Tejas can fly directly from India to Egypt, ALL Tejas flight hours > one J-10C flight hour”. After all, this will make Indian fighter jets appear more reliable than Chinese fighter jets. isn't it?

You can also say loudly, "The Indian Su-30 uses Indian engines, avionics, and weapons. The Indian Su-30 does not use foreign technology, India does not need US engines and Russian engines. India only uses Indian engines”. That's the only way. When India assembled the Su-30. I will respect India and still refer to it as the 'Su-30'
I'm sorry to remind you. India assembles AL31, not makes AL-31. There is a significant difference.

Recently. China will provide J-35 to Pakistan. Promise me. Indians must believe that Rafale and Tejas can win J-35. Okay?

Indians not only believe that the Su-35 is the best aircraft in China. India even believes that the J-10C is better than the J-20. Now we know why the Pakistani Air Force was able to humiliate India in 2019.

 

[Jiangnan]

J 10 Humiliated Su 35. China has far superior 5th Generation J 20. Yet China bought Su 35 as they doubt that J 20 may not be good enough against US and French plane like Rafale. yet J10 is batter than Su35.

A<B C was Bought to counter D as B was not good enough to counter C yet A>D.

Just curious. Why do you think J-10C is better than J-20? Because J-10C humiliated the Indian Dream Su-35 and the European Typhoon?

What do you think. Although J-10C can humiliate the Indian Dream Su-35 and European typhoons. But cannot J-20 humiliate India's Rafale and Tejas?

Yao Ming doesn't want to compare with you. So you're taller than Yao Ming?

This is the logic of India.

 

[Jiangnan]

First woman to fly China's J-10 fighter jet dies in crash

the first woman to fly chinas j10 fighter plane was killed in a crash during an aerobatics training exercise state media reported on tuesday yu xu 30 was killed after hitting the wing of another jet when she ejected from her aircraft notably xu was one of the four female pilots trained to fly...

inshorts.com

Here is recorded 21 Crashes of J 10. Unrecorded crashes are different and may be more than double the number of recorded crashes. Just 21 crashes and and dozens of deaths in J21 crash. This is great Chinese plane.

Aviation Safety Network > > ASN Aviation Safety Database results

Aviation Safety Network: Aviation Safety Network: Databases containing descriptions of over 11000 airliner write-offs, hijackings and military aircraft accidents.

asn.flightsafety.org

Three weeks ago, a MiG-29 crashed in India.

Indian Air Force’s MiG 29 Fighter Jet Crashes Near Agra

A MiG-29 fighter jet of the Indian Air Force crashed on Monday near Agra in Uttar Pradesh after encountering a system malfunction. The pilot ejected safely from the aircraft.“A MiG-29 aircraft o

bharatshakti.in

3 weeks ago. This is the latest record of the Indian Air Force.

Do you want to tell us: How many fighter jets have crashed in China in these three weeks?

What is an Indian made fighter jet. Low technology, low cost, low production volume, poor quality, no flight, Flight leads to crash, unreliable.

Whether assembled in India or manufactured in Russia/France. As long as it is driven by an Indian. It is unreliable.

Even Indians do not believe that Indian assembled Tejas can fly from India to Egypt. We can understand why India's mouth is stronger than India's fighter jets.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Three weeks ago, a MiG-29 crashed in India.

Indian Air Force’s MiG 29 Fighter Jet Crashes Near Agra

A MiG-29 fighter jet of the Indian Air Force crashed on Monday near Agra in Uttar Pradesh after encountering a system malfunction. The pilot ejected safely from the aircraft.“A MiG-29 aircraft o

bharatshakti.in

3 weeks ago. This is the latest record of the Indian Air Force.

Do you want to tell us: How many fighter jets have crashed in China in these three weeks?

What is an Indian made fighter jet. Low technology, low cost, low production volume, poor quality, no flight, Flight leads to crash, unreliable.

Whether assembled in India or manufactured in Russia/France. As long as it is driven by an Indian. It is unreliable.

Even Indians do not believe that Indian assembled Tejas can fly from India to Egypt. We can understand why India's mouth is stronger than India's fighter jets.

Still this decades old fighter made in Russia has batter safety record than your modern (In criterion of time line not feature) J10, 21 of which are down till date.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Just curious. Why do you think J-10C is better than J-20? Because J-10C humiliated the Indian Dream Su-35 and the European Typhoon?

What do you think. Although J-10C can humiliate the Indian Dream Su-35 and European typhoons. But cannot J-20 humiliate India's Rafale and Tejas?

Yao Ming doesn't want to compare with you. So you're taller than Yao Ming?

This is the logic of India.

Boasting and more boasting. J10 humiliated su 35 yet China went to Russia and begged for J10. Another funny thing is that a guy is asking why do I consider J10 batter than J 20 a plane considered to be one generation ahead by the same country which manufacturers both plane? These sort of people comes here to show their extra ordinary knowledge here.

 

[Jiangnan]

Boasting and more boasting. J10 humiliated su 35 yet China went to Russia and begged for J10. Another funny thing is that a guy is asking why do I consider J10 batter than J 20 a plane considered to be one generation ahead by the same country which manufacturers both plane? These sort of people comes here to show their extra ordinary knowledge here.

Indian friend. Your logic has collapsed.

We normal people know. China first bought the Su-35, and then during the exercise, the J-10C humiliated the Su-35. Are you intentionally reversing the chronological order?

J-10C can fly directly from China to Egypt. The mileage is 8000km.

Do you believe that any Indian made fighter jet can fly directly from India to Egypt?

Do you think that besides Boasting and more boasting. Is there a relationship between India and words such as' quality and reliability '?

If you don't even believe what you're saying. How do you make others believe what you say?

Friend, please believe me. J-10C can humiliate Su-35 and European typhoons. J-10C can also humiliate Indian Rafale and Tejas.

Look, J-10C located 300 km from New Delhi.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Indian friend. Your logic has collapsed.

We normal people know. China first bought the Su-35, and then during the exercise, the J-10C humiliated the Su-35. Are you intentionally reversing the chronological order?

J-10C can fly directly from China to Egypt. The mileage is 8000km.

Do you believe that any Indian made fighter jet can fly directly from India to Egypt?

Do you think that besides Boasting and more boasting. Is there a relationship between India and words such as' quality and reliability '?

If you don't even believe what you're saying. How do you make others believe what you say?

Friend, please believe me. J-10C can humiliate Su-35 and European typhoons. J-10C can also humiliate Indian Rafale and Tejas.

Look, J-10C located 300 km from New Delhi.

View attachment 10974

You not only bought su 35 but copied it as well. You know very well as you know very well the competence of your designers and scientist. So far as our plane is concerned, your global time had compared yours as well as Tejas. Last line of that article was " While JF 17 is a plane of current age, Tejas is a plane of future". Now get lost and ask your copy cat designers that why so many J10s are falling faster than the falling of Chinese foreign exchange reserve.

You seem to have seen XI propaganda movie many times.

 

[Jiangnan]

You not only bought su 35 but copied it as well. You know very well as you know very well the competence of your designers and scientist. So far as our plane is concerned, your global time had compared yours as well as Tejas. Last line of that article was " While JF 17 is a plane of current age, Tejas is a plane of future". Now get lost and ask your copy cat designers that why so many J10s are falling faster than the falling of Chinese foreign exchange reserve.

You seem to have seen XI propaganda movie many times.

Please understand that Global Times is comparing Tejas and JF-17. Tejas may be as good as JF-17 in the future. You have once again exposed the IQ level of Indians.

look. Even you don't believe that Tejas can fly directly from India to Egypt.

So I said. Indian made fighter jet. Low technology, low cost, low production volume, poor quality, no flight, Flight leads to crash, unreliable.

Indian fighter jets are just like Indians - malnourished. Indian fighter jets are like the Indian economy heavily reliant on cow dung support.

Now enjoy it. After humiliating the Indian Dream Su-35 and the European typhoon. How did J-10C humiliate Indian Rafale and Tejas 300 km away from New Delhi.

 

[Jiangnan]

Considering that J-10C humiliates Su-35 and European typhoons. And from 300 km away in New Delhi, overlooking Rafale and Tejas. Indian friends announce that J-10C is better than J-20.

Perhaps Indian friends have many misunderstandings about the J-20. Now look at J-20.



PS：The J-20 uses the WS15 engine. J-10C uses WS10 engine. besides. The J-10 shares many technologies with the J-20.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Considering that J-10C humiliates Su-35 and European typhoons. And from 300 km away in New Delhi, overlooking Rafale and Tejas. Indian friends announce that J-10C is better than J-20.

Perhaps Indian friends have many misunderstandings about the J-20. Now look at J-20.



PS：The J-20 uses the WS15 engine. J-10C uses WS10 engine. besides. The J-10 shares many technologies with the J-20.

Russian engine copied and named WS15 but so far as quality is concern, it is far inferior.

 

[Jiangnan]

Russian engine copied and named WS15 but so far as quality is concern, it is far inferior.

Please do not discuss WS-15. You know, India is not worth the attention of WS-15.

If you cannot prove that Indian fighter jets can operate effectively on high altitudes. So when J-10C is 300km away from New Delhi. The J-10C overlooks the entire Indian Air Force. At this point, only one dive strike is needed. Indians will understand what 'quality' is.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Please do not discuss WS-15. You know, India is not worth the attention of WS-15.

If you cannot prove that Indian fighter jets can operate effectively on high altitudes. So the J-10C equipped with WS-10 is enough to overlook Indians from 300 km away in New Delhi.

This should be on jokes thread. J1 0 is a substandard copied 3rd generation aircraft which can be shot down by and forth generation aircraft at its wills.

 

[Jiangnan]

This should be on jokes thread. J1 0 is a substandard copied 3rd generation aircraft which can be shot down by and forth generation aircraft at its wills.

Calm down indian friend. i know. When you see J-10C 300km away from New Delhi, you feel alarmed. But you can't shoot down J-10C with your mouth. Just like how Indians "shot down" F-16 in 2019.

Indians should first learn honesty and then ask, 'Why is J-10C located 300km away from New Delhi' ？

 

[Jiangnan]

When J-10C is 300km away from New Delhi.

Overlooking the entire India!

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Calm down indian friend. i know. When you see J-10C 300km away from New Delhi, you feel alarmed. But you can't shoot down J-10C with your mouth. Just like how Indians "shot down" F-16 in 2019.

Indians should first learn honesty and then ask, 'Why is J-10C located 300km away from New Delhi' ？

We shoot down a satellite on orbit with 10 CM of accuracy. We have got that sort of systems. And you said it right when you say hat we see J 10C from 300 KM. Tejas can not be seen from 300 K,M, In case of conflict, we shall see J 10 and J 20 from 300 k.m. and shoot a BVR. Your pilot won't know from where did the Missile came from?

 

[Jiangnan]

We shoot down a satellite on orbit with 10 CM of accuracy. We have got that sort of systems. And you said it right when you say hat we see J 10C from 300 KM. Tejas can not be seen from 300 K,M, In case of conflict, we shall see J 10 and J 20 from 300 k.m. and shoot a BVR. Your pilot won't know from where did the Missile came from?

my friend. Do you know that Iran uses China's Beidou Navigation System?

Think about it. 1000+ rocket launchers guided by high-precision satellites launch shells into New Delhi.

This is the first strike. Then comes the J-10C.

Are you asking who doesn't have anti satellite weapons? Who doesn't have a high-precision satellite navigation system?

 

[Krishna with Flute]

my friend. Do you know that Iran uses China's Beidou Navigation System?

Think about it. 1000+ rocket launchers guided by high-precision satellites launch shells into New Delhi.

This is the first strike. Then comes the J-10C.

Are you asking who doesn't have anti satellite weapons? Who doesn't have a high-precision satellite navigation system?

We show that in Galwan. You have to hide the death troll of your soldiers. your troops got beaten by 1/3rd numbers of Indian soldiers and you retreat from Himalayas. We literally dictated the terms and behaved like boss to make you withdraw. your J10 shall be a target practice for Akash.

 

[Jiangnan]

We show that in Galwan. You have to hide the death troll of your soldiers. your troops got beaten by 1/3rd numbers of Indian soldiers and you retreat from Himalayas. We literally dictated the terms and behaved like boss to make you withdraw. your J10 shall be a target practice for Akash.

Can you stick to using one topic?

First.

then.

last.

Can Indians be honest once? “1/3rd numbers ”？？ Do Indian friends know what 'shame' is? The number of Chinese soldiers is even only 1/10rd of that of the Indian army. Then Chinese soldiers killed an Indian lieutenant colonel officer.

A lieutenant colonel officer of the Indian army has died. Then the Indians announced that 'only 20 Indian soldiers have died'. And accused the Chinese military of concealing the death toll... LOL. probably. After all, the Chinese military has hundreds of Indian POWs.

Btw. J-10C overlooking India.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

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When they are sent to face Indian soldiers on LAC. Macho Chinese solders moving to LAC to teach Indian soldiers a lesson.

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[Jiangnan]

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When they are sent to face Indian soldiers on LAC. Macho Chinese solders moving to LAC to teach Indian soldiers a lesson.
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Kneel down. Grab your ear.

first, Chinese soldiers killed an Indian lieutenant colonel.

Then the Chinese army detained hundreds of Indian POWs.

But I don't know what the relationship between Chinese new soldiers crying and India is?

look

Chinese soldiers also cry when they leave the military camp. Maybe because they can no longer kill Indians?

 

[Jiangnan]

Indian soldiers beating CHinese soldiers video - Search Videos

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When they are sent to face Indian soldiers on LAC. Macho Chinese solders moving to LAC to teach Indian soldiers a lesson.
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enjoy

Perhaps new Chinese soldiers are crying and killing Indians at the same time?