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Response to Iran’s attack: Israel war cabinet weighing options

Israel yesterday faced pressure from allies to show restraint and avoid an escalation of conflict in the Middle East as it considered how to respond to Iran’s weekend missile and drone attack.

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Response to Iran's attack: Israel war cabinet weighing options
Considers hurting Iran without all-out war amid pressure from allies

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Israel yesterday faced pressure from allies to show restraint and avoid an escalation of conflict in the Middle East as it considered how to respond to Iran's weekend missile and drone attack.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu summoned his war cabinet for the second time in less than 24 hours, a government source said. Two senior officials signalled on Sunday that retaliation was not imminent and Israel would not act alone but the results of yesterday's talks were not yet known.

Israel's military chief of staff said the country would respond to the Iranian attack.

"This launch of so many missiles, cruise missiles, and drones into Israeli territory will be met with a response," Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi said, speaking from the Nevatim air force base in southern Israel, which sustained some damage in the attack.

Israel's Channel 12 news reported that Israel's war cabinet discussed a range of options at the second meeting to hurt Iran for its attack on Israel but without causing an all-out war.

Iran's attack - made in retaliation for a suspected Israeli airstrike on its embassy compound in Damascus - has increased fears of open warfare between Israel and Iran and heightened concerns that violence rooted in the Gaza war is spreading further in the region.

Wary of the dangers, President Joe Biden has told Netanyahu the United States will not take part in any Israeli counter-offensive against Iran.

In his 25-minute call to Netanyahu on Sunday, Biden suggested that further response by Israel was "unnecessary".

Since the start of Israel's war in Gaza on Oct 7, clashes have erupted between Israel and Iran-aligned groups in Lebanon, Syria, Yemen and Iraq. Israel said four of its soldiers were wounded hundreds of metres inside Lebanese territory overnight.

"We're on the edge of the cliff and we have to move away from it," Josep Borrell, the European Union's foreign affairs chief, told Spanish radio station Onda Cero. "We have to step on the brakes and reverse gear."

French President Emmanuel Macron, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and British Foreign Secretary David Cameron made similar appeals. Washington and United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres have also issued calls for restraint.

Countries including France, Belgium and Germany summoned the Iranian ambassadors. The French foreign ministry said France was working with its partners to de-escalate the situation.

Russia has refrained from criticising its ally Iran in public over the strikes but expressed concern about the risk of escalation on Monday and also called for restraint.

"Further escalation is in no one's interests," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

Iran mounted the attack in response to a suspected Israeli airstrike on its embassy compound in Syria on April 1 that killed seven Iranian Revolutionary Guards officers, including two senior commanders.

Its attack, involving more than 300 missiles and drones, caused only modest damage in Israel and no deaths. Most were shot down by Israel's Iron Dome defence system and with help from the US, Britain, France and Jordan.

In Washington, Biden reiterated US commitment to Israel's security ahead of a meeting with Iraq's Prime Minister Mohammed Shia al-Sudani.

British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said the Group of Seven major democracies were working on a package of coordinated measures against Iran.

"I spoke to my fellow G7 leaders, we are united in our condemnation of this attack," Sunak said in parliament.

Italy, which holds the rotating presidency of the G7, said it was open to new sanctions against individuals engaged against Israel.

In an interview with Reuters, Italian Foreign Minister Antonio Tajani said new sanctions would need the backing of all the G7. He suggested any new measures would be focused on individuals rather than whole nations.

Asian shares fell and gold prices rose yesterday as risk sentiment took a hit. But oil prices dipped and Israel's shekel rose against the dollar after the comments by two senior Israeli officials - Defence Minister Yoav Gallant and centrist minister Benny Gantz - suggesting an Israeli response was not imminent.

Iran's attack has caused travel disruption, with at least a dozen airlines cancelling or rerouting flights, and Europe's aviation regulator reaffirming advice to airlines to use caution in Israeli and Iranian airspace.

Israel remained on high alert, but authorities lifted some emergency measures that had included a ban on some school activities and caps on large gatherings.

Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian said Tehran had informed the United States that the attack on Israel would be limited and for self-defence, and that regional neighbours had been informed of the planned strikes 72 hours in advance.

White House national security spokesperson John Kirby yesterday told reporters that the United States did exchange messages with Iran but that there were never any messages regarding Iran's timeframe or targets for its weekend attack.

Kirby would not be drawn into explaining what the messages were about. He said that reports suggesting Iran tipped off the United States about its plans were "categorically false" and "malarkey."

Turkish, Jordanian and Iraqi officials said on Sunday that Iran gave wide notice days before its drone and missile attack on Israel.

In the first-ever attack against Israeli territory, Iran launched more than 300 drones and missiles towards Israel.

The attack included 170 drones and 30 cruise missiles, none of which entered Israeli territory, and at least 110 ballistic missiles, of which a small number reached Israel, military spokesman Rear Adm Daniel Hagari said in a televised statement.

At least nine countries were involved in the military escalation - with projectiles fired from Iran, Iraq, Syria and Yemen and downed by Israel, the US, the UK and Jordan.

The shortest distance from Iran to Israel is about 1,000km (620 miles) across Iraq, Syria and Jordan.

Since most of the projectiles came from relatively far away, Israel was able to send F-35 stealth fighters to intercept them. The IDF said that 25 of the 30 cruise missiles sent by Iran were shot down outside the country.

Two US officials told the BBC's US partner CBS news that five ballistic missiles evaded air defences and impacted Israeli territory.

Four of them "lightly hit" the Nevatim air force base in the Negev desert in southern Israel, said Israeli sources.

Of the 120 ballistic missiles fired by Iran, about half of them failed on launch or crashed mid-flight, one of the officials told CBS.

Experts said Israel may use this attack as an excuse to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities. They also said Netanyahu has an incentive to keep hostilities going, as it fends off the collapse of his razor-thin coalition and new elections.

The attack has also for now distracted global attention from Israel's conduct of the war in Gaza. Furthermore, the Iranian attack is also likely to dispel murmurs in the US Congress about curbing weapons supplies to Israel because of Gaza, they said.​

So its Jericho 2 missiles (conventional warhead) against Iranian drone factories or random Revolutionary Guard sites. I doubt the nuclear facilities are in a single place waiting to be hit by a conventional weapon.

Israeli Air Force is not going to be of much use: 600 miles is its combat radius which will barely get it to the border. To get to the actual target it will need air to air over Iraq or Syria, and then F-35s show up with two precision bombs.

This is at a conventional stalemate. Its questionable if Israel has the number of ballistic Jerichos as Iran does. Its been busy maintaining a 500 combat jet air force , which is of minimal use against Iran. Iran had no money for the air force, so put it all in surface to surface projectiles

 

[ThunderCat]

Yaar these turkish UAV's are great for use against da talibunny or balochi terror outfits. No doubt......but against India, they'd be shot down in under 2 minutes if they go anywhere near the Indo-pak borders. I know we are backward in modern military technology, and I seriously wonder how useful/ feasible is the acquisition of these turkish drones. Chinese drones to aik dum lunn hain. All them CH-4's n Wingh Lhoongs and whatnot.....total junk.....I mean do rupay waalay chappairr and they'd be shot down. We seriously need to quit buying Chinese weapons. Our Ghauri/ Ghaznavi/ Nasr/ Shahin, its all junk and you know it. Just like our shitful F-sola......Total junk......Do mintt nahi zinda rehna hamaray weapons nay against Israel. Our military is just a pushover.

Drones are difficult to shoot down. Ask the Russkies in Ukraine. How much damage did Bayraktar drone do before they developed jamming countermeasures? The Russkies wanted the Bayraktar drone in their inventory and Turkiye & NATO said 'no.'

And look on the Russian side how badly these Iranian drones damages Ukraine. Ask the Bharatis how well their battery missiles (?) supplied to Armenia fared against Turkish Bayraktar drones.

So why am I compelled to believe Bharati military can take down these Bayraktar drones easily.

 

[Old School]

[h1]Iran's strike on Israel was much more successful than it seems. Here's why[/h1]Tehran's retaliatory attack may not have caused much destruction, but it was far from a failure
Do not jump to conclusions
Many experts were skeptical about Iran's strike and hastened to say that the retaliation did not live up to expectations. Given the clip thinking of most commentators, this reaction is hardly surprising. Their reasoning resembles a Hollywood blockbuster stuffed with special effects, where the end of the world and its miraculous salvation fit into 90-120 minutes, with a love scene in the middle. In real life, things are different. As Sun Tzu wrote in ancient times, to fight 100 battles and win 100 battles is not the height of skill. The best way to win is not to fight at all. This is Iran's strategy. Its strike against Israel was not so much a military response as a grandmaster's move in a big chess game. And the game is not over yet.
To achieve the first point, Iran had to carry out a direct strike without resorting exclusively to proxy forces – and that is indeed how it acted. Regarding the second point, even though most of the missiles and drones were indeed shot down, some managed to penetrate Israeli air space and hit military targets. The Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces, Mohammad Bagheri, said that the information center on the Israeli-Syrian border and Israel's Nevatim air base were hit. And finally, as to the third point – war didn't happen. This resembled the situation in 2020, when the Iranians hit US bases in Iraq in response to the assassination of General Soleimani.
However, it is still too early to speculate as to whether Iran's attack was a success or not. The big question now is how Israel will respond.

What Iran has accomplished
It's important to emphasize that Iran's operation carried more political than military weight. In this sense, it was carried out subtly and was a success. Obviously, the Iranians did not want to start a war which would involve the US, even though that is what Netanyahu wanted. In other words, Israel didn't manage to provoke Iran.

It is also obvious that the Islamic Republic possesses more powerful drones and missiles than those used in the attack on April 14. However, even the less advanced drones and missiles were able to penetrate Israeli air space and inflict economic damage, since Israel spent much more money on shooting down the missiles and drones than Iran spent on launching them.

Tehran has once again demonstrated that Israel is not invulnerable, and it is possible to attack it. As for the degree of inflicted damage, which some commentators were unsatisfied with, it largely depends on the type of missiles and drones used in the attack – and Iran has a lot of military equipment.

Finally, Iran's main achievement is that it has managed to confuse Israel in the same way that it was confused after the October 7 Hamas attack. The country has to respond. But how? Should Israel strike Iranian proxy forces? This is possible, but Israel does it all the time without much result. Should it hit Iran directly? But that would start a war which no one is prepared for, including the US.

Conclusion
The ball is now in Israel's court, and the country faces the same challenges that the Islamic Republic did after April 1. But will Israel be able to solve these challenges as efficiently?

It is noteworthy that IRGC Commander-in-Chief, Hossein Salami, said that from now on, if Israel attacks the interests of Iran and Iranian citizens, Tehran will strike it again.

This is an important statement. Essentially, the attack carried out by Iran on April 14 was not just a retaliatory strike, but established a new order. Iran demonstrated that it is ready to resort to new means of influence in a situation where words are not sufficient. It attacked Israel directly not in order to start a war, but to demonstrate what could happen if all other methods of pressure on Israel fail.

A new option has been put forward. Israel may be deprived of its most important advantage – absolute impunity, which until recently had been guaranteed by the US.

Iran's strike on Israel was much more successful than it seems. Here's why — RT World News

 

[Lulldapull]

Drones are difficult to shoot down. Ask the Russkies in Ukraine. How much damage did Bayraktar drone do before they developed jamming countermeasures? The Russkies wanted the Bayraktar drone in their inventory and Turkiye & NATO said 'no.'

And look on the Russian side how badly these Iranian drones damages Ukraine. Ask the Bharatis how well their battery missiles (?) supplied to Armenia fared against Turkish Bayraktar drones.

So why am I compelled to believe Bharati military can take down these Bayraktar drones easily.

yaar India did not and had not provided any weaponry during karabagh war. Those surveillance radars were provided by India after the war. Just late last year India sold a few Pinaka MBRL and Akash Sams and a few SPG (artillery) systems. Indians don't even have a drone product that they can sell even today. Turkish Bayraktar drones performed well in Syria at first, but then they got countered by the Syrian air defenses. In Ukraine their viability was far lower. All 60 or so sold to Ukraine have long been downed. Which brings us to the same issue that Bayraktar or reaper or Hermes or even Irani Gaza or Shahid 129 are good in low intensity wars, but against near peer rivals they will not survive. Just two days ago the Hezb in Lebanon downed a $5 million Hermes. The second one lost in this month alone. Houthi's and Iraqi PMU's have downed a good 3 or 4 Reapers just this year alone. Each one is $30 million. I believe UCAV's are great fighting against guerilla forces like talibunny and Balochi sardars or more recently Irani Mohajir-6 series successful use in Ethiopia against Tigray militia's or by one Sudani general against the other general in their current civil war. Chinese CH-4/ wing Loong is just junk. Houthi's and every man and his dog in Iraq has shot down over a hundred Chinese UCAV's over the last decade. Jordan put up its CH-4 fleet for sale but nobody bought them. Same with Iraqi's......Nobody in even Africa wants them at used prices.

 

[Saif]

Israel pledges response to Iran strikes

Israel’s armed forces chief has vowed to respond to Iran’s unprecedented attack against the country, even after appeals for restraint poured in from world leaders fearing...

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Israel pledges response to Iran strikes
Agence France-Presse . Jerusalem 17 April, 2024, 00:16

An Israeli army F-15 fighter jet flies over central Israel. | AFP photo

Israel's armed forces chief has vowed to respond to Iran's unprecedented attack against the country, even after appeals for restraint poured in from world leaders fearing wider regional conflict.

During six months of war between Israel and Iran-backed militant group Hamas in Gaza, Iran's proxies around the region have stepped up attacks on Israel and its allies, saying they are acting in support of Palestinians in Gaza.

Tensions were already high before Iran launched its first-ever assault on Israeli territory, firing hundreds of missiles and drones in retaliation for a deadly April 1 strike on the Iranian consulate in Damascus.

'This launch of so many Iranian missiles, cruise missiles, and UAVs into the territory of the State of Israel will be met with a response,' Israeli armed forces chief Lieutenant General Herzi Halevi said Monday, addressing troops at the Nevatim airbase, which was hit in Iran's Saturday night barrage.

The Israeli army has said the vast majority of the weapons were shot down — with the help of the United States and other allies — and the attack caused only minimal damage.

Western governments, including those that supported Israel in its defence, have warned against an escalation, and prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu met with his war cabinet late Monday to discuss next steps, Israeli media reported.

Iran has previously said it would consider the matter 'concluded' unless Israel retaliated, and foreign minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian told his Chinese counterpart in a call on Tuesday that Iran was 'willing to exercise restraint' and had no intention of further escalating tensions.

China's top diplomat Wang Yi said it was 'believed that Iran can handle the situation well and spare the region further turmoil'.

The United States has repeatedly appealed to China — a close partner of Iran and a top buyer of its US-sanctioned oil — to use its influence over Tehran to manage tensions in the Middle East.

Israel on Monday issued its first official comment on the strike on the Iranian consulate in Syria that prompted Tehran's weekend attack.

'These were people who engaged in terrorism against the State of Israel,' Israeli military spokesman Daniel Hagari said. 'There was not a single diplomat there as far as I know.'

The strike killed seven Iranian Revolutionary Guards, two of them generals.

Iran has portrayed its retaliatory missile and drone barrage as the first act in a tough new strategy.

The Iranian president's deputy chief of staff for political affairs, Mohammad Jamshidi, wrote on X that the 'era of strategic patience is over', and further targeting Iranian personnel and assets 'will be met with a direct and punishing response'.

The head of the UN's atomic watchdog revealed on Monday that Iran had temporarily closed its nuclear facilities over 'security considerations' after launching its retaliatory attack.

International Atomic Energy Agency chief Rafael Grossi said the facilities were expected to reopen on Monday but his inspectors would not be returning until Tuesday, or when 'we see that the situation is completely calm'.

US president Joe Biden has told Netanyahu that Washington would not offer military support for any retaliation against Iran, according to a senior US official.

British foreign secretary David Cameron and French president Emmanuel Macron were also among those urging restraint.

Secretary of state Antony Blinken said Washington did not 'seek escalation, but we'll continue to support the defence of Israel'.

US House speaker Mike Johnson announced that a vote on a fresh package of military aid for Israel could come as early as Friday. The package has been stalled in the House by right-wing members of Johnson's Republican party who oppose new military funding for Ukraine also included in the bill.

Following the weekend's attacks, Israel's military said it would not be distracted from the on-going war against Hamas in Gaza.

It said troops continued to operate in central Gaza, and tanks killed 'a number of terrorists identified advancing towards them'.

Fighter jets destroyed 'terror tunnels and military compounds where armed Hamas terrorists were located', the army said.

The Hamas attack of October 7 that triggered the war in Gaza resulted in the deaths of 1,170 people in Israel, mostly civilians, according to Israeli figures.

Israel's retaliatory offensive has killed at least 33,797 people in Gaza, mostly women and children, according to the health ministry in the Hamas-run territory.

Israel estimates that 129 hostages seized during the October 7 attack, including 34 presumed dead, remain in Gaza.

At a White House meeting with Iraqi prime minister Mohamed Shia al-Sudani, Biden said: 'We're committed to a ceasefire that will bring the hostages home and prevent the conflict spreading beyond what it already has.'

Reflecting both the domestic pressure Biden is under, and global calls for a ceasefire in Gaza, pro-Palestinian demonstrators blocked San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge on Monday.

Israel's offensive against Hamas has triggered a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, with desperate shortages of food, medicines and drinking water.

The United Nations said it delivered a four-day supply of fuel to a bakery in northern Gaza on Sunday to enable it to resume operations in an area, which 'has recorded the highest levels of catastrophic hunger in the world'.​

 

[Lulldapull]

So its Jericho 2 missiles (conventional warhead) against Iranian drone factories or random Revolutionary Guard sites. I doubt the nuclear facilities are in a single place waiting to be hit by a conventional weapon.

Israeli Air Force is not going to be of much use: 600 miles is its combat radius which will barely get it to the border. To get to the actual target it will need air to air over Iraq or Syria, and then F-35s show up with two precision bombs.

This is at a conventional stalemate. Its questionable if Israel has the number of ballistic Jerichos as Iran does. Its been busy maintaining a 500 combat jet air force , which is of minimal use against Iran. Iran had no money for the air force, so put it all in surface to surface projectiles

Isra-heel is in serious trouble, and we all know it too. Iran's a huge target for da west and not just Isra-heel aleh salam since there are thousands of Irani military sites, most important ones buried deep in da mountains. Western military power has been exposed as a joke. Forget Iran or Israel, that's not even a contest anymore for us to ponder over. Irani's are slick and they know exactly what deys doin.......hamara kya banay ga bhai? We da ghareeb struggling to make ends meet/ survive against all odds with a corrupt military ruling over us..... and our country's precarious position in da evolving global order? We are so vulnerable no? What we need to do is to get underground oil n gas pipelines from Irani turani and safeguard our people when da shiit hits da fan with cheap irani oil n gas in secret. Saanu apna sochna chaiye like we don't get caught out in da storm and millions of our ghareeb die due to global geo-politics.

 

[4MikeEcho]

Isra-heel is in serious trouble, and we all know it too. Iran's a huge target for da west and not just Isra-heel aleh salam since there are thousands of Irani military sites, most important ones buried deep in da mountains. Western military power has been exposed as a joke. Forget Iran or Israel, that's not even a contest anymore for us to ponder over. Irani's are slick and they know exactly what deys doin.......hamara kya banay ga bhai? We da ghareeb struggling to make ends meet/ survive against all odds with a corrupt military ruling over us..... and our country's precarious position in da evolving global order? We are so vulnerable no? What we need to do is to get underground oil n gas pipelines from Irani turani and safeguard our people when da shiit hits da fan with cheap irani oil n gas in secret. Saanu apna sochna chaiye like we don't get caught out in da storm and millions of our ghareeb die due to global geo-politics.

Unless Iran lobbed its primitive ballistic missiles, and the US and Israel KNOW that the next generation of missiles that Iran has were not used, then this would be considered serious trouble.

But if the best Iran has in terms of ballistic missiles were used and only a few of them landed on one of the bases, I think militarily Israel has nothing to worry about. I discounted the use of drones as they are nothing but nusance value (here and in Ukraine).

Israel's status as a western country thats a peaceful democracy (its peaceful by causing havoc around it) and all the FDI was flowing in to the country is certainly at risk. Not as many foreign citizens will go in, not as many US companies will have staff there, and possibly Jews from Europe or US that have a romantic image of being in their country will reconsider.

But I would not count that as trouble.

 

[4MikeEcho]

Israel pledges response to Iran strikes

Israel’s armed forces chief has vowed to respond to Iran’s unprecedented attack against the country, even after appeals for restraint poured in from world leaders fearing...

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Israel pledges response to Iran strikes
Agence France-Presse . Jerusalem 17 April, 2024, 00:16

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An Israeli army F-15 fighter jet flies over central Israel. | AFP photo

Israel's armed forces chief has vowed to respond to Iran's unprecedented attack against the country, even after appeals for restraint poured in from world leaders fearing wider regional conflict.

During six months of war between Israel and Iran-backed militant group Hamas in Gaza, Iran's proxies around the region have stepped up attacks on Israel and its allies, saying they are acting in support of Palestinians in Gaza.

Tensions were already high before Iran launched its first-ever assault on Israeli territory, firing hundreds of missiles and drones in retaliation for a deadly April 1 strike on the Iranian consulate in Damascus.

'This launch of so many Iranian missiles, cruise missiles, and UAVs into the territory of the State of Israel will be met with a response,' Israeli armed forces chief Lieutenant General Herzi Halevi said Monday, addressing troops at the Nevatim airbase, which was hit in Iran's Saturday night barrage.

The Israeli army has said the vast majority of the weapons were shot down — with the help of the United States and other allies — and the attack caused only minimal damage.

Western governments, including those that supported Israel in its defence, have warned against an escalation, and prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu met with his war cabinet late Monday to discuss next steps, Israeli media reported.

Iran has previously said it would consider the matter 'concluded' unless Israel retaliated, and foreign minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian told his Chinese counterpart in a call on Tuesday that Iran was 'willing to exercise restraint' and had no intention of further escalating tensions.

China's top diplomat Wang Yi said it was 'believed that Iran can handle the situation well and spare the region further turmoil'.

The United States has repeatedly appealed to China — a close partner of Iran and a top buyer of its US-sanctioned oil — to use its influence over Tehran to manage tensions in the Middle East.

Israel on Monday issued its first official comment on the strike on the Iranian consulate in Syria that prompted Tehran's weekend attack.

'These were people who engaged in terrorism against the State of Israel,' Israeli military spokesman Daniel Hagari said. 'There was not a single diplomat there as far as I know.'

The strike killed seven Iranian Revolutionary Guards, two of them generals.

Iran has portrayed its retaliatory missile and drone barrage as the first act in a tough new strategy.

The Iranian president's deputy chief of staff for political affairs, Mohammad Jamshidi, wrote on X that the 'era of strategic patience is over', and further targeting Iranian personnel and assets 'will be met with a direct and punishing response'.

The head of the UN's atomic watchdog revealed on Monday that Iran had temporarily closed its nuclear facilities over 'security considerations' after launching its retaliatory attack.

International Atomic Energy Agency chief Rafael Grossi said the facilities were expected to reopen on Monday but his inspectors would not be returning until Tuesday, or when 'we see that the situation is completely calm'.

US president Joe Biden has told Netanyahu that Washington would not offer military support for any retaliation against Iran, according to a senior US official.

British foreign secretary David Cameron and French president Emmanuel Macron were also among those urging restraint.

Secretary of state Antony Blinken said Washington did not 'seek escalation, but we'll continue to support the defence of Israel'.

US House speaker Mike Johnson announced that a vote on a fresh package of military aid for Israel could come as early as Friday. The package has been stalled in the House by right-wing members of Johnson's Republican party who oppose new military funding for Ukraine also included in the bill.

Following the weekend's attacks, Israel's military said it would not be distracted from the on-going war against Hamas in Gaza.

It said troops continued to operate in central Gaza, and tanks killed 'a number of terrorists identified advancing towards them'.

Fighter jets destroyed 'terror tunnels and military compounds where armed Hamas terrorists were located', the army said.

The Hamas attack of October 7 that triggered the war in Gaza resulted in the deaths of 1,170 people in Israel, mostly civilians, according to Israeli figures.

Israel's retaliatory offensive has killed at least 33,797 people in Gaza, mostly women and children, according to the health ministry in the Hamas-run territory.

Israel estimates that 129 hostages seized during the October 7 attack, including 34 presumed dead, remain in Gaza.

At a White House meeting with Iraqi prime minister Mohamed Shia al-Sudani, Biden said: 'We're committed to a ceasefire that will bring the hostages home and prevent the conflict spreading beyond what it already has.'

Reflecting both the domestic pressure Biden is under, and global calls for a ceasefire in Gaza, pro-Palestinian demonstrators blocked San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge on Monday.

Israel's offensive against Hamas has triggered a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, with desperate shortages of food, medicines and drinking water.

The United Nations said it delivered a four-day supply of fuel to a bakery in northern Gaza on Sunday to enable it to resume operations in an area, which 'has recorded the highest levels of catastrophic hunger in the world'.​

Israel probably has a trick up its sleeve, but its default approach that involves projecting air power over a defenseless neighbor will not be used here because it won't have any effect.

No way that a traditional airstrike works.

So either Israel goes Jericho and then be prepared for a missile war against Iran (who fought a similar Scud vs. Scud battle across several years in the 80s) where Iran is a bigger country and can absorb the impact without Israel's sophisticated defenses.

Or Israel goes asymmetric with sabotage, assassination, or cyber attack.

 

[Old School]

A member of the Israeli military stands alongside one of the Iranian missiles shot down by Israel and its allies over the weekend.

 

[Lulldapull]

Unless Iran lobbed its primitive ballistic missiles, and the US and Israel KNOW that the next generation of missiles that Iran has were not used, then this would be considered serious trouble.

But if the best Iran has in terms of ballistic missiles were used and only a few of them landed on one of the bases, I think militarily Israel has nothing to worry about. I discounted the use of drones as they are nothing but nusance value (here and in Ukraine).

Israel's status as a western country thats a peaceful democracy (its peaceful by causing havoc around it) and all the FDI was flowing in to the country is certainly at risk. Not as many foreign citizens will go in, not as many US companies will have staff there, and possibly Jews from Europe or US that have a romantic image of being in their country will reconsider.

But I would not count that as trouble.

If Iran fired 600 instead of the 300 that it did, of whatever category, then ‘Sophisticated’ defenses will all get exhausted/overwhelmed. And if Irans toady matched that number with its bottle rockets made from sugar/ Syrup and fertilizer, then da Zionist dream would get shattered in a jiffy. The threat from Iran now is that we won’t fire 300 or 400, but we’ll fire 10,000 and then it’s all over. And we can keep doing it from a distance until you run off to Poland or New Jersey or Brooklyn…

 

[Lulldapull]

17 total ballistic missile hits have been captured on people’s cell phones. We know for a fact how accurate Irani missiles are from past events. Israel is panicking and so is da west on wtf to do now:

 

[ThunderCat]

yaar India did not and had not provided any weaponry during karabagh war. Those surveillance radars were provided by India after the war. Just late last year India sold a few Pinaka MBRL and Akash Sams and a few SPG (artillery) systems. Indians don't even have a drone product that they can sell even today. Turkish Bayraktar drones performed well in Syria at first, but then they got countered by the Syrian air defenses. In Ukraine their viability was far lower. All 60 or so sold to Ukraine have long been downed. Which brings us to the same issue that Bayraktar or reaper or Hermes or even Irani Gaza or Shahid 129 are good in low intensity wars, but against near peer rivals they will not survive. Just two days ago the Hezb in Lebanon downed a $5 million Hermes. The second one lost in this month alone. Houthi's and Iraqi PMU's have downed a good 3 or 4 Reapers just this year alone. Each one is $30 million. I believe UCAV's are great fighting against guerilla forces like talibunny and Balochi sardars or more recently Irani Mohajir-6 series successful use in Ethiopia against Tigray militia's or by one Sudani general against the other general in their current civil war. Chinese CH-4/ wing Loong is just junk. Houthi's and every man and his dog in Iraq has shot down over a hundred Chinese UCAV's over the last decade. Jordan put up its CH-4 fleet for sale but nobody bought them. Same with Iraqi's......Nobody in even Africa wants them at used prices.

Ok but how good did Bayraktar fare against Russians in Ukraine? Their S- series missiles only shot down a handful of them. Even before the Ukraine war, I read rumors the Russians had an interest in buying Bayraktar.

Now it's a different scenario with better drone jamming countermeasures in place. But prior to that the Russians suffered heavy losses because of this killer drone, did it not?

And how reliable was the Iranian Shaheed & Muhajir drones in Ukraine, bypassing Ukrainian defenses and causing devastation there before they were being jammed.

I'd argue these drones are much more useful against military battalions than a few guerrilla's although it works against them too.

 

[Lulldapull]

Ok but how good did Bayraktar fare against Russians in Ukraine? Their S- series missiles only shot down a handful of them. Even before the Ukraine war, I read rumors the Russians had an interest in buying Bayraktar.

Now it's a different scenario with better drone jamming countermeasures in place. But prior to that the Russians suffered heavy losses because of this killer drone, did it not?

And how reliable was the Iranian Shaheed & Muhajir drones in Ukraine, bypassing Ukrainian defenses and causing devastation there before they were being jammed.

I'd argue these drones are much more useful against military battalions than a few guerrilla's although it works against them too.

The lids been blown open yaar….russian Irani turani send dozens of these shahid/ lancet/ meraj kamikaze drones flying in from multiple directions heading straight for their intended targets…they appear on Ukrainian/ Sawdi/ Israeli radar screens and these chutiye shiit their pants in panic….. then dozens of cruise missiles like Hoveza/ Kh-55/ Kh101 and even Kh-22 from older stocks scream on in at 500mph…..heading toward different targets. Then these Russian and Irani launch their wild aces like iskundurr or Fateh or Emad or Shahabs on the real targets totally somewhere else…..……araam say bhund lugga detay hain and intended targets get totally destroyed. Bewquff Sawdi/ Israeli/ Ukrainian keep thinking place X is being targeted, but generally its place Y, 1000 miles away…..…Dis da real game of deception now. And let me tell you, Ef-sola or Ef-thurrtty Fav becoming junkyard scrap with each passing day. Ye haqeeqat hae ab. Warfare has radically changed.

 

[ThunderCat]

The lids been blown open yaar….russian Irani turani send dozens of these shahid/ lancet/ meraj kamikaze drones flying in from multiple directions heading straight for their intended targets…they appear on Ukrainian/ Sawdi/ Israeli radar screens and these chutiye shiit their pants in panic….. then dozens of cruise missiles like Hoveza/ Kh-55/ Kh101 and even Kh-22 from older stocks scream on in at 500mph…..heading toward different targets. Then these Russian and Irani launch their wild aces like iskundurr or Fateh or Emad or Shahabs on the real targets totally somewhere else…..……araam say bhund lugga detay hain and intended targets get totally destroyed. Bewquff Sawdi/ Israeli/ Ukrainian keep thinking place X is being targeted, but generally its place Y, 1000 miles away…..…Dis da real game of deception now. And let me tell you, Ef-sola or Ef-thurrtty Fav becoming junkyard scrap with each passing day. Ye haqeeqat hae ab. Warfare has radically changed.

Kamakazi drones don't seem to be effective for longer targets like Iran to Israel, but for shorter targets like the Russian Federation to Ukraine. Shorter targets also means flying lower altitude to evade radar.

It's worked in the past.

 

[Lulldapull]

Kamakazi drones don't seem to be effective for longer targets like Iran to Israel, but for shorter targets like the Russian Federation to Ukraine. Shorter targets also means flying lower altitude to evade radar.

It's worked in the past.

The kamikaze drones work great if Iran doesn’t announce dat they are coming at this exact time and from dat direction. Shahid-136 body is fiber glass so basically radio transparent. This attack on Israel was a huge exercise in deception and it worked beautifully. Shahid drones drew away all the hundreds of IDF missiles when the Israelis panicked and the cruise missiles drew other defenses, and the ballistic missiles slipped in right thru and destroyed their high value targets. I believe irani’s pulled da same feat when they demolished the Abqaiq/ Khurais oilfield complex which was very heavily defended by Pac2/3’s THAAD, Cayote and off shore Aegis systems. Iran launched dozens of drones, cruise missiles and Ballistic missiles from different locations in Syria, Iraq, Iran and Yemen. It is also the tactics these IRGC use combining all these different weapons and they end up overwhelming/ exhausting/ saturating the defenses. I believe if Iran launches a full on attack with a couple thousand drones/cruise/ ballistic missiles And instructs it’s hundreds of thousands of toady to do it in concert, Isra-heel will totally collapse.

 

[ThunderCat]

The kamikaze drones work great if Iran doesn’t announce dat they are coming at this exact time and from dat direction. Shahid-136 body is fiber glass so basically radio transparent. This attack on Israel was a huge exercise in deception and it worked beautifully. Shahid drones drew away all the hundreds of IDF missiles when the Israelis panicked and the cruise missiles drew other defenses, and the ballistic missiles slipped in right thru and destroyed their high value targets. I believe irani’s pulled da same feat when they demolished the Abqaiq/ Khurais oilfield complex which was very heavily defended by Pac2/3’s THAAD, Cayote and off shore Aegis systems. Iran launched dozens of drones, cruise missiles and Ballistic missiles from different locations in Syria, Iraq, Iran and Yemen. It is also the tactics these IRGC use combining all these different weapons and they end up overwhelming/ exhausting/ saturating the defenses. I believe if Iran launches a full on attack with a couple thousand drones/cruise/ ballistic missiles And instructs it’s hundreds of thousands of toady to do it in concert, Isra-heel will totally collapse.

Israel has sufficient ballistic missiles and chemical weapons to smash Iran's infrastructure to the ground. Not to mention state-of-the-art drones and planes. Iran has not gotten a proper state of Israeli firepower.

A country that has attacked Pakistan several times does not have my favor, the latest being in January. The Ayatollah regime must fall.

 

[4MikeEcho]

The kamikaze drones work great if Iran doesn’t announce dat they are coming at this exact time and from dat direction. Shahid-136 body is fiber glass so basically radio transparent. This attack on Israel was a huge exercise in deception and it worked beautifully. Shahid drones drew away all the hundreds of IDF missiles when the Israelis panicked and the cruise missiles drew other defenses, and the ballistic missiles slipped in right thru and destroyed their high value targets. I believe irani’s pulled da same feat when they demolished the Abqaiq/ Khurais oilfield complex which was very heavily defended by Pac2/3’s THAAD, Cayote and off shore Aegis systems. Iran launched dozens of drones, cruise missiles and Ballistic missiles from different locations in Syria, Iraq, Iran and Yemen. It is also the tactics these IRGC use combining all these different weapons and they end up overwhelming/ exhausting/ saturating the defenses. I believe if Iran launches a full on attack with a couple thousand drones/cruise/ ballistic missiles And instructs it’s hundreds of thousands of toady to do it in concert, Isra-heel will totally collapse.

you more bold about Iran's capabilities than even Iranians themselves. Its easy for us to be here on keyboard and have a glorified view of Iranian capability knowing that we are not going to be in the firing line of any retaliation or economic embargo.

Most of the drones were shotdown before they entered Israeli airspace and vast majority by ariborne platforms.

While Iran did announce and signal days ahead to make sure commercial traffic over Iraq or Iran was clear (they shot down one of their own airliners a few years ago), even without that, there was enough signal intelligence and satellite borne sensors to know about the massive influx. In fact by knowing the inbound motorcycle drones, Israelis knew exactly when the ballistic missiles were going to strike.

We hear the number 1-2% of ballistic missiles and Iranians have not said anything to enhance that number.

So my money is on the fact that Iranians have better ballistic weapons that Israelis know about but did not use. Otherwise this exercise was shear stupidity. Iran would have been better off blowing up an Israeli embassy in Sao Paolo

 

[4MikeEcho]

Interesting analysis of Iran's defensive weapons.

I think Iran's best defenses are: 1. Its a big country 2. Its assets are dispersed 3. Non existent air force so nothing important to destroy 4. Its distance from Israel through hostile territory 5. Most importantly people are tough . The prior generation saw 8 years of Scud wars. 6. Ability to retaliate

Any analysis on this sort of equipment is militarily insignificant. This a war of sensor/countermeasure/faster OODA loop that favors training and faster signal processing/micro chips.

In this regard, NATO has excelled at again and again. In Iraq, twice. In Serbia/Kosovo, and Israel repeatedly humiliates Syria by flying over it as it wishes.

These defensive weapons are show pieces. They will get neutralized by jamming.

How well could Iran defend itself against a potential Israeli attack?

Iran operates a wide variety of missile defence batteries at different ranges that aim to defend against aerial strikes.

www.aljazeera.com

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[H1]How well could Iran defend itself against a potential Israeli attack?[/H1]
Iran operates a wide variety of missile defence batteries at different ranges that aim to defend against aerial strikes.

Iran's Defence Minister Brigadier General Mohammad-Reza Ashtiani walks near an Iranian missile during an unveiling ceremony in Tehran, Iran, in this picture obtained on February 17, 2024 [Handout: Ministry of Defence and Armed Forces Logistics via Reuters]
By Maziar Motamedi
Published On 17 Apr 202417 Apr 2024


Tehran, Iran – Israel has pledged to "exact a price" from Iran in response to missile and drone attacks launched by Tehran in retaliation to the deadly bombing of its consulate in Syria at the beginning of this month.


Israel's war cabinet has met several times to debate a course of action to complement a diplomatic push against Iran since Saturday's unprecedented direct attacks on Israel, with Israeli army chief of staff Herzi Halevi saying a military response is certain.

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Iranian President Raisi threatened a "massive and harsh response" on Wednesday if Israel decides to launch a direct military assault on Iranian soil. So how effectively can Iran defend itself if such an attack occurs?


[H2]Relying on local defensive arms[/H2]

For decades, Iran has increasingly insisted on relying on its local capabilities when it comes to its economy, but a similar push can also be seen in its military sector.


Much of that sentiment is rooted in Iran's eight years of war with neighbouring Iraq, which invaded Iran in 1980 under former ruler Saddam Hussein. Baghdad was militarily backed by a multitude of foreign powers, including the United States.


Hampered by decades of sanctions and embargos, Iran's air superiority is still heavily challenged, with some of its fighter jets and equipment, including US-made F-4 and F-5 fighter jets, dating back to before the country's 1979 revolution – which overthrew the West-backed monarchy of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.


Iran now mostly operates Russian Sukhoi and MiG fighter jets that date back to the Soviet era. The Iranian air force has been building its own jets too, like the Saeqeh and Kowsar which are based on US designs, but they are not believed to be a match for some of the top fighter jets like the F-35s that Israel employs in large numbers.


A delivery of two dozen Russian-made Su-35 fighter jets, negotiations for which have been ongoing for some time, could significantly revitalise the Iranian air force, but it would not eliminate the need for robust air defence batteries.


[H2]Long-range missile batteries[/H2]

Iran has tried to compensate for its ageing domestic fighter jets with ambitious missile programmes. It has particularly focused on improving its air defence systems – in addition to burying some of its airbases, missile depots and nuclear facilities deep in the mountains to protect them against bunker buster munitions given to Israel by the US. Israel has extensively used the US-supplied bunker buster bombs during its six months of war on Gaza.


The longest-range missile defence system operated by Iran is the locally-developed Bavar-373, which entered service in 2019 after a decade of development and testing, and has been significantly improved since.

 

[Lulldapull]

Israel has sufficient ballistic missiles and chemical weapons to smash Iran's infrastructure to the ground. Not to mention state-of-the-art drones and planes. Iran has not gotten a proper state of Israeli firepower.

A country that has attacked Pakistan several times does not have my favor, the latest being in January. The Ayatollah regime must fall.

Bhai that IDF Air/ Drone power hasn't been able to do much over the last few decades. Recently USN/ RAF airstrikes have done nothing against the Iran backed Houthi's. Sawdi Judea faced defeat and bankruptcy too in Yemen against Iran backed Houthi's no? In Afghanistan 300k coalition/ ISAF/ NATO couldn't defeat the talibunnies. In the end only 20k walked into Kabul without firing a single shot, just like the NVA rolling into Saigon in 1975. Hezb has killed/ injured more than 500 IDF troops in the last 6 months. Iran's used Hamas k jhaggay to kill/ injure another 2000+ Israeli's no? Nuke deterrents have lost their deterrent. Israel is now wide open for an Iranian intervention and eventual dismantling. Iran's opened da gates to the global jihadists to go n fight the IDF. 8 million Israeli's can't fight 200 million incensed Shia, pretty obvious. Iran's already intimidated Israel long ago. As far as we are concerned? we ain't got no involvement in the ME conflict.

 

[ThunderCat]

Bhai that IDF Air/ Drone power hasn't been able to do much over the last few decades. Recently USN/ RAF airstrikes have done nothing against the Iran backed Houthi's. Sawdi Judea faced defeat and bankruptcy too in Yemen against Iran backed Houthi's no? In Afghanistan 300k coalition/ ISAF/ NATO couldn't defeat the talibunnies. In the end only 20k walked into Kabul without firing a single shot, just like the NVA rolling into Saigon in 1975. Hezb has killed/ injured more than 500 IDF troops in the last 6 months. Iran's used Hamas k jhaggay to kill/ injure another 2000+ Israeli's no? Nuke deterrents have lost their deterrent. Israel is now wide open for an Iranian intervention and eventual dismantling. Iran's opened da gates to the global jihadists to go n fight the IDF. 8 million Israeli's can't fight 200 million incensed Shia, pretty obvious. Iran's already intimidated Israel long ago. As far as we are concerned? we ain't got no involvement in the ME conflict.

We can easily get dragged into it. They already recruit our mercenaries. Their governments have a nasty influence over our country & people.