[🇮🇷] Iran VS Israel

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TP-3 is being formulated by the Iranians as a coup de grace on Israel.

From the online chatter TP-3 will entail a huge number of drones and missiles just like TP-1 which was wildly successful.

Iran has a lot of confidence now to coordinate a massive attack using its proxies in a concerted campaign.

Israel key shammat aanay waali hae. This time around we’d see THAAD getting totally humbled and the west got no more widgets nor gadgets to bring to the table.

Iran nay western arms industry k lunn lugga diye hain. Iranians brought the Sawdis down in Yemen and defeated them. It took 7 years but this siege/ harassment warfare eventually bears fruit. Trillion dollar Sawdi military with full US/UK backing was humbled.
 

Iran leader vows response to Israel after attacks
Agence France-Presse . Tehran 04 November, 2024, 01:26

Iran’s supreme leader vowed retaliation on Saturday for attacks by Israel, as an Israeli military official confirmed naval commandos seized a suspected Hezbollah operative in a Lebanon raid.

The World Health Organisation said four children were among six people wounded in a strike on a polio vaccination centre in north Gaza, where UN agencies have spoken of ‘apocalyptic’ conditions in the face of a blistering Israeli assault.

Lebanon’s health ministry said three people were killed and nine others wounded in an Israeli strike Sunday on Haret Saida, a densely populated area near the southern city of Sidon.

‘The Israeli enemy’s raid on Haret Saida resulted in an initial death toll of three people killed and nine others injured,’ the ministry said. The strike was not preceded by an Israeli evacuation warning.

Also on Sunday, an Israeli strike hit the town of Ghaziyeh, south of Sidon, the official National News Agency said.

Several Israeli strikes also hit near a governmental hospital in Tebnin, a town in the south Lebanon district of Bint Jbeil.

Days before the presidential election in the United States — Israel’s main military supplier — Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said Iran’s response would cover attacks on both the Islamic republic and its allies.

‘The enemies, both the USA and the Zionist regime, should know that they will definitely receive a tooth-breaking response,’ Khamenei said, referring to Iran-aligned groups including those in Yemen and Syria.

On October 26, Israel bombed military sites in Iran, killing four servicemen, in response to an October 1 barrage of about 200 missiles that Tehran called a reprisal.

Israel has warned Iran against responding to the October 26 attack.

Analysts say Israel inflicted severe damage on Iranian air defences and missile capacities and could yet launch more wide-scale action against the Islamic republic.

The US military said Saturday its B-52 bombers have arrived in the Middle East, a day after Washington announced their deployment in a warning to Tehran.

Since late September Israel has been engaged in full-scale war against Iran-backed Hezbollah in Lebanon while fighting continues against the Palestinian militant group Hamas, which triggered the Gaza war by attacking Israel on October 7 last year.

Israeli forces have carried out a major air and ground assault since October 6 in north Gaza, centred on the Jabalia area, vowing to stop Hamas from regrouping.

WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the agency had received ‘an extremely concerning report’ about a strike on the Sheikh Radwan health centre.

The facility ‘was struck today while parents were bringing their children to the life-saving polio vaccination’ drive, he said.

Tedros did not specify who carried out the strike, but a source in Gaza’s civil defence agency said that it was ‘an Israeli quadcopter that fired two missiles which hit the wall of Sheikh Radwan clinic’.

Medics and Gaza’s civil defence agency reported three people killed in a strike on Nuseirat, in central Gaza.

‘We came out and there were planes and gunfire above us,’ said Ashraf Abdullah, describing the victims as ‘all torn to pieces’.

Hamas’s October 7, 2023 attack on southern Israel resulted in the deaths of 1,206 people, mostly civilians, according to an AFP tally of Israeli official figures.

Israel’s retaliatory military campaign has killed 43,314 people in Gaza, most of them civilians, according to figures from the Hamas-run territory’s health ministry which the UN considers reliable.

The Israeli military said two soldiers were killed in Gaza on Saturday, bringing its losses to 370 since the start of the ground offensive on October 27 last year.

After nearly a year of tit-for-tat exchanges across Israel’s northern border, Israel escalated its bombing campaign against Hezbollah targets in Lebanon on September 23 and later sent in ground troops.

Hezbollah has since fired more deeply into Israel.

On Friday, Israeli naval commandos seized a trainee mariner a military official described as a ‘senior operative’ of Hezbollah in a raid in northern Lebanon and brought him to Israel.

Lebanese prime minister Najib Mikati instructed the foreign ministry to submit a complaint to the UN Security Council over the raid in coastal town of Batroun, his office said.

The Lebanese military and UN peacekeeping force UNIFIL are both conducting investigations into the raid, Mikati’s office said, adding that he had called for ‘expedited’ results.

Lebanon’s state-run National News Agency said an ‘unidentified military force’ carried out a ‘sea landing’ on the shore of Batroun at dawn Friday.

An acquaintance of the abductee identified him as a student at the city’s state-run Maritime Sciences and Technology Institute, Lebanon’s primary training college for the shipping industry.

Israel’s broader strikes across Lebanon have displaced hundreds of thousands of people.

‘There’s no heating. We don’t have warm clothes,’ said Fatima, 17, who now camps out with her family at a school near Deir al-Ahmar, in Lebanon’s eastern Baalbek area.

The bombardment has killed at least 1,930 people in Lebanon since the war escalated, according to an AFP tally of health ministry figures.

Israel’s military says 38 soldiers have been killed in Lebanon since it began ground operations on September 30.

Israeli strikes against Hezbollah’s south Beirut stronghold on Saturday killed one person and wounded 15, the health ministry said.​
 

Israeli strikes hurt Iran, further escalation possible: analysts
Agence France-Presse . Paris 02 November, 2024, 01:06

While heeding US calls to steer clear of nuclear or oil infrastructure, Israel in its strikes on Iran inflicted severe damage on Iranian air defences and missile capacities and could yet launch more wide-scale action against the Islamic republic, analysts say.

Following Iran’s October 1 salvo of missiles against Israel last month — intended as a reprisal to Israeli strikes that killed senior figures in Iran-backed groups Hezbollah and Hamas — there were fears Israel would respond with attacks on Iran of a magnitude that could spark a global conflict.

The United States, mindful of the risk of the conflict spreading, swiftly pressured its ally to avoid the most escalatory options of strikes against Iranian nuclear infrastructure or oil and gas production facilities.

In the end, according to media reports and analysts, Israel opted for strikes on October 26 against Iranian air defence systems including several guarding oil refineries, as well as three key missile production facilities.

While Iranian officials have in public minimised the importance of the strikes, which killed four servicemen, it is now becoming clear the attacks inflicted significant damage as well as containing an implicit warning from Israel that more could be in store.

‘Israel’s target set clearly suggests it intended to erode Iran’s critical missile production capacity and facilitate further military action if the conflict escalates,’ said an analysis from the Washington-based Hudson Institute.

It said Israel used around 100 combat aircraft and possibly drones in its attack, targeting Iranian ‘missile manufacturing capabilities and strategic air defence architecture’.

‘Israel likely handicapped Iran’s ability to produce the high-end, solid-fuel, medium-range ballistic missiles that Tehran used in its October 1 salvos,’ it added.

The action against missile production is all the more pertinent at a time when Iran is accused by the West of supplying Russia with attack drones and missiles for its war against Ukraine.

Fabian Hinz, research fellow at the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies said Israel had hit three Iranian facilities in Shahroud, Parchin and Khojir that make the solid propellant for missiles.

‘There are indications that they very deliberately targeted bottlenecks within the production process that would have pretty large implications for Iran’s missile production,’ he said.

‘These strikes might not have produced the most spectacular videos, they were designed very smartly to produce substantial effect even with a limited number of targets. They privileged the effect over the spectacle.’

Satellite pictures provided by Planet Labs of the Parchin facility showed the apparent effects of the strike in an October 27 image, contrasted with the undamaged facility on September 9.

The targeting of air defences was also hugely significant, Hinz added.

‘They are sending the message that if Israel wants to strike again, that would be easier and could be more comprehensive next time.’

The Israeli strikes appear to have damaged Russian S-300 air defence systems delivered to Iran by Moscow, according to the US-based Institute for the Study of War which said Russia’s need for such systems in the war against Ukraine would constrain its ability to supply Iran.

Indeed, information from Israel on the strikes even suggests that ‘Iran does not have any functional S-300 batteries right now’, the ISW said.

Iranian defence minister Aziz Nasirzadeh said Israel ‘tried to damage both our defensive and offensive systems’, but insisted ‘there has been no interruption in the process of producing offensive systems such as missiles’.

But the most dangerous standoff between the two foes is far from over, with both sides warning it could escalate further.

Mohammad Mohammadi Golpayegani, a senior aide to supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and hugely influential official who speaks rarely in public, on Thursday warned of a ‘harsh and regretful’ response by Iran.

The New York Times on Friday cited three Iranian officials as saying Khamenei had instructed the Supreme National Security Council on Monday to prepare for a further strike on Israel as the ‘scope of Israel’s attack was too large to ignore’.

Israel could then retaliate again, with all eyes on whether it could decide to strike a nuclear site, although doubts remain over whether it could carry out such a bunker-busting attack without US assistance.

Israel’s military chief Lieutenant General Herzi Halevi warned Israel would hit back ‘very very hard’ if Iran retaliates against Israel.

Hinz said Israel’s strategy towards Iran had changed in the wake of the October 7, 2023 attacks against Israel by Iran-backed Hamas, and the Israeli leadership under prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu was in no mood to back down against the Islamic republic.

‘If the Iranians launch another strike, then Israel might basically respond to that with another strike of their own. If they don’t do that, they might see it as even a stronger invitation to follow-on strikes,’ he said.​

This could scale up to a wider war, with more direct (at least technical) involvement by other players, including Russia and even China.
 
Let's hope your prediction remains correct.
Everything hinges on which way it goes in a couple days from now in the US elections.

Trump will (hopefully) stop it, Kamala will see it through to a full blown conflict.. she's the neo-con/libs' chosen one.

Remember what Gen Wesley Clark said about war in 7 different countries in the region ?
 
China plays the long economic warfare game. Russia challenges the west direct head military-wise.
Both those biggies essentially dealing with threats (or perceived threats) right on their periphery/border.

Post regime change Ukies fully joining the western NATO/EU order is the Cuban missile crisis of our time.

Red lines were crossed, ab achaar daal lo Ukraine ki barbadi ka.. :slow clap:
 
Chinese will never fight bhai. They are businessmen. Their weapons are like toys.

Nobody buys Chinese weapons.
They sure know how to make em look pretty.

True, but Pak and some others are using some of their gear.. either paisa nahi hai westie maal khreedne ka, like the African/South American clients, or, in Pak's case, relations have somewhat soured with US/west and Iron Bro saw an opportunity to step in and "help"

I wouldn't entirely underestimate them, but.. "ekdum bekaar fake Chinese maal hai" .. may not apply a 100%, they've made serious strides since the 90s

I got a drone from them, and most PC parts are produced there, like literally everything (under license as it may be) .. those chinx sure have upped their game.

Indian desis be lagging big league.
 
They sure know how to make em look pretty.

True, but Pak and some others are using some of their gear.. either paisa nahi hai westie maal khreedne ka, like the African/South American clients, or, in Pak's case, relations have somewhat soured with US/west and Iron Bro saw an opportunity to step in and "help"

I wouldn't entirely underestimate them, but.. "ekdum bekaar fake Chinese maal hai" .. may not apply a 100%, they've made serious strides since the 90s

I got a drone from them, and most PC parts are produced there, like literally everything (under license as it may be) .. those chinx sure have upped their game.

Indian desis be lagging big league.
Their weapons are all untested against anybody. Koi nahi khareedta Chinese weapons bhai.

All the defense expos in Middle East market Chinese weaponry but nobody even visits their booths.
 
ye toh hai

"combat proven" ki chepi is half the price those toys command.
I believe behtri issy main hae China key that their weaponry remains untested vurna whatever meager sales they have even those will cease immediately.

Reputation is everything in sales bhai. Proven tested weaponry like Irans. Tested against the global benchmark no?

China key kidher test hoi hae? Russia pehlay say nunga bettha hae. Exposed in Ukraine as a joker outfit
 
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