[🇮🇷] Breaking! Israel has attacked Iran. Live Coverage

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Look Israel attacked Iran first. So Iran has a right to retaliate against Israel.

Israel should not have attacked Iran in the first place.

We have to be impartial and honest here.

 

[Lulldapull]

I really want Mcgregor and Scott to be right and I want Iranians to have parity with Israel.

But Scott and Mcregor have both been wrong. They though Russians were going to overrun Ukraine since before the invasion and Russians stuck in stalemate and now $61BN going to Ukraine.

May be in this case they are right but we need to be objective about this and not think Israelis are weaker than they are and Iranians are stronger than they are.

None of us (nor Mcgregor) know the details of Israeli/Iranian parity/weakness. Only Iranians and ISraelis know them.

I believe the Russian war strategy in Ukraine is one of 'submission via attrition', not conquest. The Iranians are successfully using the same strategy against their rivals from Herat to Haifa. It paid off handsomely in Yemen and Afghanistan. It also paid off dividends in da SyRaaq, where Iran's got a quarter million militia members doing its bidding. You wear down your opponents with constant attacks, harassment and putting dem under siege surrounding them with heavily armed well trained and motivated dug in guerilla forces. The Russians too have adopted this cunning tactic when they've made a deep incursion into eastern Ukraine and created fortifications and kill zones which have killed and injured 500k Urainian troops along with thousands of NATO volunteers/ mercs. The area just beyond the Donbas is a gigantic meat grinder where precision artillery/ ATGMs and land attack ballistic/ ALCM's/ ALBM's smash down on the repeated but failed Ukrainian military offensives. This is also been the Iranian tactic in the SyRaaq, successfully used against Daesh/ ISIS and other regional western backed forces. Conquest automatically comes, when your opponent loses his will to fight. And evidently is a very sudden event. So I believe Russia and Iran have the upper hand in all these theaters of operations. War is never fun bro.......but it is what it is. Russia and Iran are motivated and have an imperial agenda (as a culture/ legacy). We in the subcontinent can't relate to this, cuz we've never done any of this nor do we ever plan on doing it. The west is hard pressed to counter Russia and Iran.

 

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Khamenei praises ‘success’ of military after Israel attack

Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei praised the country’s armed forces for their ‘success’ in his first public comments since Tehran launched an unprecedented direct attack on Israel last week...

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Khamenei praises 'success' of military after Israel attack
Agence France-Presse . Tehran 21 April, 2024, 23:05

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei

Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei praised the country's armed forces for their 'success' in his first public comments since Tehran launched an unprecedented direct attack on Israel last week.

In a meeting with Iranian military commanders on Sunday, Khamenei praised the armed forces for their 'success in recent events', a week after the country's first-ever direct attack on Israel from its own territory.

'The armed forces showed a good image of their abilities and power and an admirable image of the Iranian nation,' Khamenei said. 'They also proved the emergence of the power of the Iranian nation's determination at the international level.'

The remarks from Iran's supreme leader are the first since Iran attacked Israel and since a reported Israeli attack on a military airbase in central Isfahan province on Friday.

'The armed forces' recent achievements have created a sense of splendour and magnificence about Islamic Iran in the eyes of the world,' Khamenei said in quotes posted on his official X account.

The Friday strike, which Khamenei did not mention, was a presumed response to Iran's unprecedented drone and missile attack on Israel which was itself a retaliation for an airstrike on the Iranian consular building in Damascus.

That attack, widely blamed on Israel, levelled the consular annex of the Iranian embassy and killed seven members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, including two generals.

Israel said it intercepted 99 per cent of the more than 300 drones and missiles fired at it, with the aid of the United States and other allies and that those which got through caused only minor damage.

Addressing his country's attack on Israel, Khamenei said 'the issue of the number of missiles fired or the missiles that hit the target' was 'secondary'.

'The main issue is the emergence of the willpower of the Iranian nation and the armed forces in the international arena,' he said, according to his official website.

Iran and Israel appeared to have stepped back from the brink of a broader conflict following Friday's attack, which Iranian foreign minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian appeared to downplay to US media on Saturday.

Speaking to NBC News, he dismissed it as 'no attack' and said the weapons used were 'at the level of toys', adding that if there was 'no new adventure' by Israel then Iran 'will have no response'.

The comments helped to dampen fears of an all-out war between the arch-foes which could spread into a wider regional conflict.​

 

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USA supports Israel. I can see why the world hates USA.

 

[4MikeEcho]

I believe the Russian war strategy in Ukraine is one of 'submission via attrition', not conquest. The Iranians are successfully using the same strategy against their rivals from Herat to Haifa. It paid off handsomely in Yemen and Afghanistan. It also paid off dividends in da SyRaaq, where Iran's got a quarter million militia members doing its bidding. You wear down your opponents with constant attacks, harassment and putting dem under siege surrounding them with heavily armed well trained and motivated dug in guerilla forces. The Russians too have adopted this cunning tactic when they've made a deep incursion into eastern Ukraine and created fortifications and kill zones which have killed and injured 500k Urainian troops along with thousands of NATO volunteers/ mercs. The area just beyond the Donbas is a gigantic meat grinder where precision artillery/ ATGMs and land attack ballistic/ ALCM's/ ALBM's smash down on the repeated but failed Ukrainian military offensives. This is also been the Iranian tactic in the SyRaaq, successfully used against Daesh/ ISIS and other regional western backed forces. Conquest automatically comes, when your opponent loses his will to fight. And evidently is a very sudden event. So I believe Russia and Iran have the upper hand in all these theaters of operations. War is never fun bro.......but it is what it is. Russia and Iran are motivated and have an imperial agenda (as a culture/ legacy). We in the subcontinent can't relate to this, cuz we've never done any of this nor do we ever plan on doing it. The west is hard pressed to counter Russia and Iran.

I am not questioning the strategic thought process and success of Iran's long game that directly (and indirectly) forms the only threat axis against Israel and also (in Yemen) pretty much put the Saudis in their place.

That is to be admired (militarily). But that won't extend to Iran can win a conventional war in direct confrontation with Israel or it showed superiority over Israel. It did what it had to do. In fact it did the same thing in Baluchistan a few months back to make a point only to be retaliated by Pakistan. It did the same exact thing in ISrael.
Tactical engagement on one side, but I do feel that Iran got played, despite its better acumen. Prior to Iran's attack, Israel was under pressure everywhere for its conduct in Gaza. More than it has ever experienced historically. Gaza was the news, west was reaching its limits and Biden was criticizing Israel publicly almost every week.

Israel knew that by attacking the embassy in Damascus, Iran will follow through and if it does, nobody will remember Israel's atrocities and narrative will shift. Thats exactly what happened and Iran walked into a strategic trap. All western nations lined up (including Arab ones) to support Israel militarily and here again Israel was a victim. Just look at this forum, nobody has posted on Gaza invasion thread for the last 5 days as if it never happened.

To summarize , Iran walked into a trap set by Israel where Israel played the victim in the world and the world (and us) forgot about Gaza and got intertwined on Iran's success or not or Israel's success or not against Iran.

As for Ukraine/Russia, lets see if this tactic works. It was a stronger Russia with USSR (with Ukraine in it) that eventually gave up on Afghanistan. With $61BN more in funding coming, there may be a reprieve, at least for the rest of this year. One thing that will Ukrainians in is if Trump wins that Russia prevailed. Otherwise its a war of attrition and missiles and industrial capacity.

But that opinion is better to discuss in Ukraine thread, not here