[🇧🇩] Indo-Bangla Relation: India's Regional Ambition, Geopolitical Reality, and Strategic Options For Bangladesh

[Sharma Ji]

Admit it, the four of you are just here to bad mouth Bangladesh and Bangladeshis. This is the Hindutva MO. No other narrative is allowable.

I only speak for myself, views may occasionally converge and diverge with anyone. Certainly not here to bad mouth anyone.. nice small community to discuss things, all good fun. Not like you lot don't discuss Indian issues either, is it ?

Sorry for the butthurt lol

 

[Vsdoc]

Billu why you deleted my Malibu cocaine post?

 

[Krishna with Flute]

All those videos you have were fact-checked, found to be unrelated or from the past and generally fraudulent.

I hope the BJP and VHP give up these attempts of false propaganda and trying to create unrest in Bangladesh - even Bangladeshi Sanatanis are getting disgusted and asking Indian BJP and VHP to stop these embarrassing and childish propaganda attempts with Godi Media.

If you don't like Azaan in the open (too noisy) - then make legislation to stop it if you can. There are cellphone Azaan apps nowadays which should be available to every Muslim in India.

These are celebrations on Dhaka streets in the last two years. "C" grade Arabs enjoyed these Hindu festivals every year.

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These are Muslim boys/girls who had their Arangetram festival earlier, I guess they are "C" grade Arabs as well. I had many friends whose daughters graduated Arangetram from Dhaka Bharata Natyam schools. Just go easy on the "Bangladeshis are all Talibani and Jihadi" trope. This is insulting calling people slurs and names. Have some shame. And most Bangladeshi people have a nickname which is not Arabic. Like "Aurgho", "Shanto", "Nalini", "Priya", "Ishika", "Luvonee" (short for Lavanya).
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I agree with you on stopping Azan. Secondly, what you have cited regarding the Hindu festival celebration is those few things which has managed to survive which radicals want to crush. Had that been true, Hindus would not have reduced to less than 4th in 5 decades. Nobody can cite isolated incidents or pictures to defy the data. The truth revealed by data is the authentic truth. Last time, Hindus faced issues in Durga Pooja celebration as well.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Yeah, if the Mughals wanted to convert they could have done it in their 1000 years rule over India. Your few dozens brave hearts could have escaped but not the millions of cowards. The majority of Indians were cowards......always subjected to rules of foreign powers.

Had Mughals 1000yers of rule? Why don't you read history before commenting here?

 

[Bilal9]

I agree with you on stopping Azan. Secondly, what you have cited regarding the Hindu festival celebration is those few things which has managed to survive which radicals want to crush. Had that been true, Hindus would not have reduced to less than 4th in 5 decades. Nobody can cite isolated incidents or pictures to defy the data. The truth revealed by data is the authentic truth. Last time, Hindus faced issues in Durga Pooja celebration as well.

If "radicals" (guessing "Mullahs" in your parlance) were truly active, there would not have been Hindus left in Bangladesh.

But they are surviving and thriving. 37% of all govt. jobs in Bangladesh are held by Hindus (because of quota). Do you see any protests in Bangladesh because of it?? Hindus right now are around 9% of the Bangladesh population. The jobs they get are disproportionate to the Hindu proportion of the population. Even Hindus themselves protested against these quotas.

Hindus leave Bangladesh for India (and other countries) for many varied reasons. Oppression is the least of it. There are opportunities available in India which are simply not available in Bangladesh - because of India's size and business scope. Ditto for EU, US, UK.

I personally know high class educated Hindu friends of mine whose parents left Bangladesh before and after 1971 and became fabulously wealthy in India through utilizing trade and business opportunities between both countries (export/import) , some settled in Delhi, some in Mumbai and Kolkata. People do what is best for their future and that of their families.

 

[Bilal9]

Had Mughals 1000yers of rule? Why don't you read history before commenting here?

What he's saying was that the Mughal emperors were in large portion of the totality, very liberal. They treated their Hindu subject fairly and with respect.

Akbar especially came up with his own religion, Deen-e-Elahi (which mixed major portion of Hinduism), and antagonized many of his Muslim courtiers just to please his Hindu subjects.

Many of the Mughal Emperors ended up marrying Hindu Rajput princesses and allowed their Rajput wives to carry out Hindu religious traditions in the temples that were built for that purpose. We have all seen Jodha-bai the movie but she was Akbar's principal consort. Visiting her tomb in Agra is definitely on my bucket-list (shown below).

The entire Mughal bloodline (at least a portion of it) was Hindu after a certain point when they started taking Rajput wives. I don't know why there is such animosity against Mughals in today's India. People are not informed anymore, Indians don't read their own history. Mughals had enough Hindu blood.

Hindi (Sanskrit mixed with Urdu) was I believe created during that time period to ease communication with non-Muslim courtiers and subjects, but I could be wrong.

Most Mughal emperors were very good to their non-Muslim subjects - and we all know Aurangzeb was not a saint in that dept. but haathoh ki panch ungli ek nahi hota.

Tomb of Jodha Bai (Mariam-uz-Zamani)

 

[Saif]

Dhaka-Delhi talks: Indian foreign secy to fly in December 9

India yesterday confirmed the visit by its Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri to Dhaka on December 9 in the first top diplomatic contact with Bangladesh since the ouster of Sheikh Hasina as prime minister of Bangladesh in August.

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Dhaka-Delhi talks: Indian foreign secy to fly in December 9
Indian Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri to visit Dhaka amid rising tensions

Photo: Collected

India yesterday confirmed the visit by its Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri to Dhaka on December 9 in the first top diplomatic contact with Bangladesh since the ouster of Sheikh Hasina as prime minister of Bangladesh in August.

The meeting also comes at a time when ties between Dhaka and Delhi are under considerable strain over various issues, including allegations of attacks on minorities in Bangladesh.

Ministry of External Affairs spokesman Randhir Jaiswal told the weekly media briefing in New Delhi that the Indian Foreign Secretary will travel to Bangladesh on December 9 for Foreign Office Consultations (FOC) with his counterpart.

During his stay in Dhaka, Misri will hold talks with his Bangladesh counterpart Jasim Uddin besides having several other meetings that have been firmed up, Jaiswal said without divulging if India's top diplomat will call on Yunus.

Asked about the agenda of FOC, Jaiswal said in Dhaka the Indian Foreign Secretary would discuss all issues of mutual interest.

The MEA spokesperson did not specify any particular issue or issues.

When a reporter pointed out that former ISKCON member Chinmoy Krishna Das was not given bail and the previous court hearing was deferred by a month, Jaiswal reiterated that he would get a fair and transparent trial and his legal rights would be respected.

"We want to reiterate our position that his [Das] legal rights will be respected and he will be allowed to exercise those rights and he will be given a fair and transparent trial."

The visit by the Indian foreign secretary was agreed on at a meeting between Indian External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar and Bangladesh's Foreign Affairs Adviser Touhid Hossain on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly in New York on September 23.

The Jaishankar-Hossain interaction was the first since Hasina stepped down in the face of widespread protests and the caretaker administration led by Yunus came to power on August 8.

The change of guard in Dhaka has sparked diplomatic tensions between Dhaka and New Delhi due to various factors, including the alleged targeting of Hindus and other minorities in Bangladesh and the anger in Dhaka over Hasina's presence in India where she sought shelter after fleeing Bangladesh.

Yunus and other leaders of the interim government have repeatedly demanded Hasina's extradition from India.

Bangladesh's Foreign Ministry also summoned Indian High Commissioner to Bangladesh Pranay Verma on last Tuesday to protest the security breach at the Assistant High Commission of Bangladesh in Agartala by a large group of Hindu right-wing group protesters on Monday.

The last foreign office consultations, a dialogue mechanism between Bangladesh and India to review the overall bilateral relationship, were held in New Delhi in November 2023.​

 

[Krishna with Flute]

What he's saying was that the Mughal emperors were in large portion of the totality, very liberal. They treated their Hindu subject fairly and with respect.

Akbar especially came up with his own religion, Deen-e-Elahi (which mixed major portion of Hinduism), and antagonized many of his Muslim courtiers just to please his Hindu subjects.

Many of the Mughal Emperors ended up marrying Hindu Rajput princesses and allowed their Rajput wives to carry out Hindu religious traditions in the temples that were built for that purpose. We have all seen Jodha-bai the movie but she was Akbar's principal consort. Visiting her tomb in Agra is definitely on my bucket-list (shown below).

The entire Mughal bloodline (at least a portion of it) was Hindu after a certain point when they started taking Rajput wives. I don't know why there is such animosity against Mughals in today's India. People are not informed anymore, Indians don't read their own history. Mughals had enough Hindu blood.

Hindi (Sanskrit mixed with Urdu) was I believe created during that time period to ease communication with non-Muslim courtiers and subjects, but I could be wrong.

Most Mughal emperors were very good to their non-Muslim subjects - and we all know Aurangzeb was not a saint in that dept. but haathoh ki panch ungli ek nahi hota.

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Tomb of Jodha Bai (Mariam-uz-Zamani)
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Akbar has written in his Akbarnama that he butchered 30000 Hindus while attacking Chittoda. When Akbar was like this, there will be no need to talk about others. Why you guys have too much passion of proving Muslims liberals. Mughals reign on India is one of the bloodiest chepter of man kind. Pakistan tries to prove Pakistan as liberal and secular after butchering 3 million Bengalis. They try to show sympathy with Palestinians after zia ul haq butchered 25000 Palestinians, BD is liberal after reducing Hindus to less than 1/4th in 5 decades.

 

[Bilal9]

When a reporter pointed out that former ISKCON member Chinmoy Krishna Das was not given bail and the previous court hearing was deferred by a month, Jaiswal reiterated that he would get a fair and transparent trial and his legal rights would be respected.

"We want to reiterate our position that his [Das] legal rights will be respected and he will be allowed to exercise those rights and he will be given a fair and transparent trial."

We need to have our foreign secretary ask his Indian counterpart, how they will ensure inserting themselves into the Judicial process of a sovereign country other than their own.

ISKCON member (and proven criminal) Chinmoy Krishna Das is a Bangladeshi citizen.

Where India legitimizes their "intervention" is anyone's guess.

These people have some gall.

 

[Saif]

We need to have our foreign secretary ask his Indian counterpart, how they will ensure inserting themselves into the Judicial process of a sovereign country other than their own.

These people have some gall.

Sheikh Hasina in her 16 years of rule in Bangladesh made sure that our foreign policy toe the Indian official line. She has reduced Bangladesh into a vassal state of India. Luckily, the present government is making things right for us and following an independent foreign policy.

 

[Bilal9]

Sheikh Hasina in her 16 years of rule in Bangladesh made sure that our foreign policy toe the Indian official line. She has reduced Bangladesh into a vassal state of India. Luckily, the present government is making things right for us and following an independent foreign policy.

We must drill into the Indian foreign secretary's head about the new reality.

Collectively, the MEA in New Delhi is a daft entity, farsightedness is a rarity in that dept.

 

[Vsdoc]

We must drill into the Indian foreign secretary's head about the new reality.

Collectively, the MEA in New Delhi is a daft entity, farsightedness is a rarity in that dept.

What will soon actually be a rarity will be such official engagements.

Only one thing comes after that.

Heed the implied warning.

 

[Bilal9]

What will soon actually be a rarity will be such official engagements.

Only one thing comes after that.

Heed the implied warning.

What warning ? What will India (BJP) leadership do - other than a lot of barking ?

Every action has an implied cost. Yes - even surgical strikes do.

Just try something. Getting tired of all the barking.

 

[Vsdoc]

What warning ? What will India (BJP) leadership do - other than a lot of barking ?

Every action has an implied cost. Yes - even surgical strikes do.

Just try something. Getting tired of all the barking.

You can afford to be tired in Malibu.

Saif might suddenly find his lungi on fire.

Or missing altogether.

It will not be a pretty sight.

For sure.

 

[Saif]

Indian foreign secretary's Bangladesh visit: Key issues and what's next

 

[Saif]

Dhaka-Delhi FS-level talks today

Dhaka is likely to raise the issue of extradition of deposed prime minister Sheikh Hasina in the Bangladesh-India Foreign Office Consultation scheduled for today in the capital amid a tension between the two neighbours over the Hindu minority issues...

www.newagebd.net

Dhaka-Delhi FS-level talks today
Staff Correspondent 08 December, 2024, 20:24

Dhaka is likely to raise the issue of extradition of deposed prime minister Sheikh Hasina in the Bangladesh-India Foreign Office Consultation scheduled for today in the capital amid a tension between the two neighbours over the Hindu minority issues.

Besides, the long-pending issues like water sharing treaty for Teesta and other common rivers, killing of Bangladeshi civilians by Indian Border Security Force, issuance of Indian visas and the connectivity would also be discussed during the meeting to be held at the Foreign Service Academy, said officials concerned.

Indian foreign secretary Vikram Misri is scheduled to arrive in Dhaka today to lead his side in the routine meeting with his Bangladeshi counterpart Md Jashim Uddin, according to the officials.

‘This kind of face-to-face meeting is crucial in overcoming any deadlock in communication although the foreign secretary-level meeting is a routine matter,’ said foreign adviser Md Touhid Hossain at a discussion in the city on Sunday.

He hoped that the two foreign secretaries would have a fruitful discussion.

The FOC is taking place days after Bangladesh shut its mission at Agartala in India on security ground on December 3 just a day after it came under attack by a group of Indian protesters during a violent demonstration.

Indian high commissioner to Bangladesh Pranay Verma was also summoned by the foreign ministry in Dhaka over the ‘heinous attack’ on its mission in Agartala, capital of Tripura state.

India has been witnessing widespread protests over the arrest and detention of a Hindu monk Chinmoy Krishna Das, a former leader of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, in Chattogram on November 25.

‘Indian foreign secretary Vikram Misri is coming to Dhaka tomorrow. We hope that his visit would help resolve ongoing tension between the two countries,’ chief adviser’s press secretary Shafiqul

Alam told reporters at a press briefing at the Foreign Service Academy on Sunday.

Describing Bangladesh’s relation with India as multifaceted, he said that it would be better in coming days.

‘We want that our relation with India would be based on fairness, equality and dignity,’ Shafiqul said, responding to a question.

Officials said that Dhaka would raise the issue of extradition of Sheikh Hasina, who fled to India for shelter amid a student-led mass uprising on August 5.

The last FOC was held in Delhi in November, 2023.

After a diplomatic briefing at state guest house Padma earlier on December 2, foreign adviser Touhid Hossain said that the interim government wanted a ‘normal and good relation’ with New Delhi while maintaining mutual interests of both nations.

He said that Dhaka’s relation with New Delhi before the August 5 situation was not the same since the fall of Sheikh Hasina, who fled to India bringing an end to her over 15-year autocratic rule.​

 

[Saif]

Interim govt wants good ties with India: CA's press secretary

The interim government aims to establish good relations with India on the basis of fairness, equality, and dignity, said Shafiqul Alam, press secretary to the chief adviser, on Sunday. “We have cultural, linguistic and historical linkage with India,” he said in response to a question a

thefinancialexpress.com.bd

Interim govt wants good ties with India: CA's press secretary
IMF adviser meets CA
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Published :
Dec 08, 2024 20:06
Updated :
Dec 08, 2024 20:06

The interim government aims to establish good relations with India on the basis of fairness, equality, and dignity, said Shafiqul Alam, press secretary to the chief adviser, on Sunday.

“We have cultural, linguistic and historical linkage with India,” he said in response to a question about the foreign office consultation meeting between India and Bangladesh, scheduled for Monday.

Indian Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri, who will lead the Indian delegation, is expected to meet the Chief Adviser, the briefing was informed.

When asked about the timing of Bangladesh's request for the extradition of Hasina, Shafiqul Alam said that it would follow the process outlined in the extradition treaty between the two countries.

He added that issues of mutual interest would be discussed during the foreign office consultation meeting between India and Bangladesh.

Shafiqul also suggested that Indian journalists visit Bangladesh to get an accurate understanding of the situation with minorities here, rather than relying on propaganda.

Responding to a question about the rising prices of soybean oil, he reassured that the prices would stabilise in the coming days and that the government was investigating the sudden price hike despite sufficient supply.

Deputy Press Secretary Apurba Jahangir clarified that comments made by education adviser Dr Wahiduddin Mahmud about the timing of elections were his personal views. Dr Mahmud had recently stated that he hoped to see an elected political government next year. Only the Chief Adviser has the authority to announce when elections will be held, he added.

Meanwhile, Lord Mark Malloch-Brown, an adviser to the IMF and World Bank and a former head of UNDP, met with Bangladesh Chief Adviser Professor Muhammad Yunus at the State Guest House Jamuna in Dhaka on Sunday.

The British peer thanked Professor Yunus for assuming leadership of the Interim Government at such a crucial time in Bangladesh's history, especially during a period of heightened expectations.

Lord Malloch-Brown also expressed his willingness to extend his support for the cause of the Bangladeshi people.

The hour-long discussions covered a wide range of issues, including the mass uprising of July-August, development matters, the Interim Government's reform initiatives, the misinformation campaign targeting the student-led movement, healthcare, social business, and microcredit.

Professor Yunus thanked Lord Malloch-Brown for his support of Bangladesh. He noted that managing public expectations was one of the government’s key challenges.

The Chief Adviser emphasised that reform was the core issue during the July-August student-led uprising, and his government is committed to implementing major reforms before holding free and fair elections.

He added that the Interim Government would act as a facilitator for the reform process and had already established 15 reform commissions to address key institutions left in disarray by the previous government under Sheikh Hasina.

Dr Martha Chen, a development worker; Asif Saleh, Executive Director of BRAC; and Lamiya Morshed, Senior Secretary of the Bangladesh Government, were also present at the meeting.​

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Sheikh Hasina in her 16 years of rule in Bangladesh made sure that our foreign policy toe the Indian official line. She has reduced Bangladesh into a vassal state of India. Luckily, the present government is making things right for us and following an independent foreign policy.

Hasinas made BD economy an Asian tiger. What BD is going to face is debt trap, starvation and lawlessness now.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

Sheikh Hasina in her 16 years of rule in Bangladesh made sure that our foreign policy toe the Indian official line. She has reduced Bangladesh into a vassal state of India. Luckily, the present government is making things right for us and following an independent foreign policy.

BD's policy anyway going to toe to official line of any big player. If you do not go with India, you will obey to either China or US. Maintaining good relationship with India is far better than being salve of China. You will not gain anything, but you are sure to fall in Debt trap. SL tried same and failed badly. Ultimately, India rescued it with 4 BN USD line of credit. Pakistan Experimented with China and ruined its economy.

 

[Krishna with Flute]

What he's saying was that the Mughal emperors were in large portion of the totality, very liberal. They treated their Hindu subject fairly and with respect.

Akbar especially came up with his own religion, Deen-e-Elahi (which mixed major portion of Hinduism), and antagonized many of his Muslim courtiers just to please his Hindu subjects.

Many of the Mughal Emperors ended up marrying Hindu Rajput princesses and allowed their Rajput wives to carry out Hindu religious traditions in the temples that were built for that purpose. We have all seen Jodha-bai the movie but she was Akbar's principal consort. Visiting her tomb in Agra is definitely on my bucket-list (shown below).

The entire Mughal bloodline (at least a portion of it) was Hindu after a certain point when they started taking Rajput wives. I don't know why there is such animosity against Mughals in today's India. People are not informed anymore, Indians don't read their own history. Mughals had enough Hindu blood.

Hindi (Sanskrit mixed with Urdu) was I believe created during that time period to ease communication with non-Muslim courtiers and subjects, but I could be wrong.

Most Mughal emperors were very good to their non-Muslim subjects - and we all know Aurangzeb was not a saint in that dept. but haathoh ki panch ungli ek nahi hota.

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Tomb of Jodha Bai (Mariam-uz-Zamani)
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They have history of Killing even their brother and presenting their Brother's cut head to imprisoned father and you call them liberal.
If they had been liberal, you would be Babulal today instead of Bilal.